This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Demon6324236]

Do I get pissed after spending 7-8 hours doing Yumcax and getting crap drops? Yes but I also realize that if I was getting the drops I wanted then I wouldn't be doing it as much which could be a big problem for anyone who has yet to do it. Now I may stop doing it if I keep getting terrible drops but it really doesn't take much effort to do WK. I just look at past events and realize how hard it is for some people to do them because most people have gotten what they want from the events like Abyssea.

I am more likely to give up on WK Reives all together with how much of a pain they are and simply wait for the better gear which is obviously on its way in the future, rather than spend my countless hours retrying the fight over and over again and again till I get what I want only for it to be outdated in the next update. The problem with this game changing in the way it is, SE is not making anything easier to get, everything is still a pain in the ass to obtain and takes to much time, while the next update kills it off anyways, which leaves very little motivation to do things which are heavily time taking like WK when you can get better drops from the Delve version of the fights when they are released.

[Daemon]

I am more likely to give up on WK Reives all together with how much of a pain they are and simply wait for the better gear which is obviously on its way in the future, rather than spend my countless hours retrying the fight over and over again and again till I get what I want only for it to be outdated in the next update. The problem with this game changing in the way it is, SE is not making anything easier to get, everything is still a pain in the ass to obtain and takes to much time, while the next update kills it off anyways, which leaves very little motivation to do things which are heavily time taking like WK when you can get better drops from the Delve version of the fights when they are released.

I've had friends do Salvage with me. Of course I being the Margery slave, heal slave, embrava hoar. Once they all got what they wanted, they stopped going with me.

Yeah I'm the guy who always tags along and gets the drops nobody wants. I'm the guy people agree to spend time doing stuff with only to bail out after they are done getting what they wanted.

Point of the story? These were people I thought would help me get my gear too. I think you can imagine where I'm going with this.

This will happen just the same in WR or any other event.

Allowing everyone to obtain the gear faster will only make the content die out faster. In every Final Fantasy game I've ever played, I'm use to the Tier system of leveling, earning Gil and buying the right equipment when I cannot pass a certain area of the game. This is the type of RPG games I've always been accustomed to. Not like Diablo, Zerg and get items easy, toss out crap and keep whatever is best. I've always hated all the trash gear falling on the ground.

Instant type games were always a big turn off and when I came to FFXI I played because you actually invest time earning your power. The day I got my Dalmatica ABJ after 10 years was the day I felt it was worth it. My most favorite piece of body gear. Regardless if there's better items out there. Each day I wear it, it's the best feeling ever.

[Demon6324236]

At least people would do it, right now I see some WKs like Yumcax take so long just to get people gathered for it that it becomes to boring to bother, at which point the event becomes so stupid its not worth doing in the first place. SE is not good at finding balance no matter how well they preach it, and this is one of those times, they either make events give to good of rewards and we all don't do it long or it gives shit rewards and few of us do it because of the anger it brings us. The difference with WKs, you can not do it with only a few people, you need a ton, which means once it gets to a certain point no one can or will do them anyways.

[Demon6324236]

Instant type games were always a big turn off and when I came to FFXI I played because you actually invest time earning your power.

I have no problem investing time, time is not an issue when its able to be tracked and I can work in order to get a reward. This has no way to track your progress, it has no progress at all, I can get it in 1 fight, or 100 fights, just like VW, that is the shit kind of progression I hate. Things like Relics, Mythics, Emps, Seals, Salvage II gear, even NNI gear, those things where you get something every run and can work to get your gear in the end in a way you can track rather than simple luck on if you get it or not, those I like. Things like this I hate more than anything else in this game because its pure, 100%, luck.

[Daemon]

At least people would do it, right now I see some WKs like Yumcax take so long just to get people gathered for it that it becomes to boring to bother, at which point the event becomes so stupid its not worth doing in the first place. SE is not good at finding balance no matter how well they preach it, and this is one of those times, they either make events give to good of rewards and we all don't do it long or it gives shit rewards and few of us do it because of the anger it brings us. The difference with WKs, you can not do it with only a few people, you need a ton, which means once it gets to a certain point no one can or will do them anyways.

From my point of view these type of events bring a huge portion of the server together. Rather than be strict to 18 man alliance I think it's pretty cool to see a variety of people show up. It may not happen everyday or at the time someone starts shouting but even if it happens 2-3 times a week? I still think its cool.

Can't expect people to have 75k Bayld right at the time you want to do it. Remember others need to go back and re-earn enough to enter again. You may know how to earn it back pretty fast but I'm sure many don't.

Then there are people who only play a couple of hours a day. Those earning Bayld through colonization reives doing Clear the way may not have the tags to earn it fast.

I think is part of the big reason people are complaining about not finding enough people. Everyone expects people to be ready which is not the same as just going to the VW NPC and grabbing stones.

I think SE should implement some sort of flag option that we can put up to show we have the Ki to enter a Nakuul that way we could search the server and those who are ready.

[SpankWustler]

If "Order Up" were made repeatable, the increased number of times that people would do Achuka, Tchakka, etc. would probably balance out the reduced number of times that people would do the current highest tier of Wildskeeper Rieves over and over.

"Order Up" becoming repeatable could also help even out any differences in popularity between Wildskeeper Rieves of the same tier. People might be more inclined to suffer through one more 35% colonization Yumcax rather than do one more quick Hurkan if they could finish a key item set that way.

For anyone capable of defeating Mega-Bosses in Delve, most Wildskeeper gear has a limited lifespan anyway.

[Daemon]

I have no problem investing time, time is not an issue when its able to be tracked and I can work in order to get a reward. This has no way to track your progress, it has no progress at all, I can get it in 1 fight, or 100 fights, just like VW, that is the shit kind of progression I hate. Things like Relics, Mythics, Emps, Seals, Salvage II gear, even NNI gear, those things where you get something every run and can work to get your gear in the end in a way you can track rather than simple luck on if you get it or not, those I like. Things like this I hate more than anything else in this game because its pure, 100%, luck.

When I first saw you DD in WoE. First thing on my mind was "WoW I'm impressed." Your REMs, gear, play style blew me away. Honestly DJ you may have taken a lot of time to earn these things but it definitely showed.

Can't imagine how you will be after you get all the Nakuul gears etc. that has to tell you something.. That your gear really showed your accomplishments.

Now if everybody was running around with the best, I'm sure it won't look special at all. Kinda like seeing every job in AF3.

I just wouldn't want SE to devalue that.

[Demon6324236]

From my point of view these type of events bring a huge portion of the server together. Rather than be strict to 18 man alliance I think it's pretty cool to see a variety of people show up. It may not happen everyday or at the time someone starts shouting but even if it happens 2-3 times a week? I still think its cool.

How does is bring people together? 90% of the characters in the area are not even shown, your party is a max of 18 people, and no one talks outside of your party, and there is nearly no interaction between those in a party and those not in the same party. To me, there is almost no togetherness, and no strategy because of it, the entire strategy for the fight is have a single party with a PLD keep the think held/tanked while you have your random army of CORs & SMNs beating it to death with Quick Draw & Blood Pacts. That's it, nothing more. I see no togetherness in this event.

Can't expect people to have 75k Bayld right at the time you want to do it. Remember others need to go back and re-earn enough to enter again. You may know how to earn it back pretty fast but I'm sure many don't.

I don't ask to do it every day, but how long must I wait so the other 150 people I need just so the fight becomes possible are ready to do it?

Then there are people who only play a couple of hours a day.

Yeah I know, my GF whom of which you know, has yet to participate in any of these fights. She is on only about 4 hours a night, and by the time we have enough people out there & ready to go she has to sleep. We have spent a couple weeks going out and getting her Adoulin gear as well as Bayld for her fights, only for her to be unable to participate because she plays at a bad time of the day for everyone else, and has such limited time. Do not get me started on how terrible this event is for some people with limited time, because I know it all to well.

Those earning Bayld through colonization reives doing Clear the way may not have the tags to earn it fast.

I am sure they don't, again I ask, how long must I wait for the other 150 people, and also, why is it the fight requires that many people to begin with? Was Campaign not a good enough example of how horrible of an idea server wide upkeep and server wide content is on this game? They have had to adjust rates multiple times on multiple things now, why is it they have not made these fights any easier? If you want to see an event die, there is no easier way than making it require an obscene amount of people who will likely never return when they have what they need, as you keep saying.

I think SE should implement some sort of flag option that we can put up to show we have the Ki to enter a Nakuul that way we could search the server and those who are ready.

There are many ways to improve it. One way would be this, also they need to allow us to check the % of the NM as well as how many people have entered, fix the drops, give better/rare mats rather than junk, decrease difficulty enough to allow DDs to touch it without dying, increase the respawn timer on the normal mobs, and lastly make a WKs death raise the Col Rate by 5~10%. All of this would benefit the WK fights in my opinion.

[Demon6324236]

Now if everybody was running around with the best, I'm sure it won't look special at all. Kinda like seeing every job in AF3.

I just wouldn't want SE to devalue that.

As I said, not asking for things to be easy, asking for them to be fair.

Me fighting a difficult battle for 10 hours and getting great gear, fair.

Me fighting a difficult battle for 10 hours and getting an Arrowwood Log, unfair.

[Daemon]

As I said, not asking for things to be easy, asking for them to be fair.

Me fighting a difficult battle for 10 hours and getting great gear, fair.

Me fighting a difficult battle for 10 hours and getting an Arrowwood Log, unfair.

Seriously take a closer look in town. I've seen people rocking Nakuul gear already. Quite a few in fact. To you it's unfair. To me I think it would be unfair if they made it easier than they already have.

I spent over 6 months on Qilin and watched 4 other people get coruscanti twice, 7 people new to VW get it and pulse it my face. Half of the 7 didn't even need the dagger because they don't play any jobs to even use it. The other half didn't want the dagger because they needed the Gil instead..

Now VW is dead. After wasting all that time, Gil, cruor and you think I don't know what unfair is? O.o

Gee if the game keeps being sped up there's no point in playing. Nothing else to do but quit and go play FF14. Since abyssea, to FCing I already felt the game lost its value by allowing everyone to speed through the game.

You know what? 13 jobs at 99... No inventory space, no motivation to keep playing as each day this game is seriously lacking. Previous content is shot down because no one cares to do anything else other than SoA reives, delve and Nakuuls and if this dies out and SE can't implement enough content fast enough... I dunno what else to say.

At least I'm seeing that the Devs are seriously trying to keep the fanbase busy. For 11 years up until SoA was released we never saw them release such powerful items. Compare to Mythic I still think our chances are way better.

Doing all ToAu missions/Assault missions to get captain rank first before you can even start the quest for mythic, Assault, Nyzul, NNI, Ein, VNM, 30k Alex, Besieged, Salvage vs WIldskeeper Reives?

I'm sorry but I'd rather appreciate the freedom the Devs gave us than complain.

You can't expect to go to a beyonce concert expecting her to give you VIP passes, Sign and hand you a CD, Poster, Bring you on stage and give you the attention you want. Oh but the concert was too long and to wait for people to get inside, be seated? I only got a sticker.

Heck, Why can't everyone just appreciate the concert for what it is. Same way I see WR.

Again there are people out there who cannot even play WR yet because they are not even close to our level. Just the same as not everybody has the ability to even go to a beyonce concert.

It took SE 3 years to release SoA since Abyssea Expansion. Which means SoA is suppose to keep us busy for another 2-3 years. Til the next expansion.

SoA only released 5 months ago. And several players already passed delve and got a lot.

With out directly saying this. All of my post subtly means "Take it easy, slow down, why are you wanting to play the game so fast" Is what I was actually saying this whole time.

I'm reading post like "I only got the grip, I only got everything else except the boots, the weapon"

Atleast you have it. I don't even have none of that stuff yet. I wonder how many other people are the same?

To me it sounds like people are spoiled and instead of appreciating anything, more complaints as to why I can't my stuff faster.

They already dropped the amount of Bayld from 100k to 75k/50k. They give you the opportunity to earn some of that back during the fight.

This is where I'm seriously not understanding why no one appreciates this.