This thread AGAIN, please, fix WK.

[Daemon]

Look at every piece of Adoulin gear after todays update, you will quickly notice how these are not so far above what SE expects to be average in Adoulin content. Do not get me wrong, good gear still, great gear at that, but it is not such great gear that it is 'godly' and deserves this level of torment.

0, but that's not an important comparison. You could sit around and do nothing and the next day you would have more Voidstones waiting for you to pick them up, WKs do not. Qilin also took 18 people, 5 minutes a kill, and the time it took to get the dust or gil to buy the dust was minimal, especially if you go by back in the days of Blinkers. Now on the other hand, WKs you have to work for Bayld constantly, unlike VW stones the Bayld will not simply come back in time, the time spent on a pop is much greater fight times can be as long as 10 hours or more depending on if people come, and how many, and the amount of people needed is much, much greater than simply 18.

On top of all of that, I know you did a ton of Qilin and got no dagger, but why use that as a defense for this kind of content? This kind of screwing of the players? If anything you should use this as the exact reason its unfair and broken to do this kind of thing. All this sort of stupidity does in this game is cause people anger and annoyance when they complete the same battle over and over with no true reward of value. No matter how bad you had it before, its no reason to with the same sort of hell and pain on others in a different event.

Lol teach me DJ because even I waited an entire week to an entire month only to burn those stones in a few hours.. I've spent millions of Gil even selling all my HMP and still didn't get the dagger. And yes I know it wasn't the best but it was something at the time I wanted because I don't own any REM daggers and didn't feel the need to waste my time for a job I only used for farming.

Btw I have all kis that replenish your stones faster including the one you get from PW and still ran out of stones..

I've never seen anyone kill VW bosses in 5 minutes. Can people cap red that fast?

[Linku]

Seriously look at what you are saying? How long would it take if everyone on the entire server got what they wanted every fight? Then what?

So its better to reward 150 players spending 2+ hrs to take down Yumcax a maple log?

A better way would be to make the Library quest repeatable. Defeat all 5 Naakuls again and choose another 2 items

[Daemon]

So its better to reward 150 players spending 2+ hrs to take down Yumcax a maple log?

A better way would be to make the Library quest repeatable. Defeat all 5 Naakuls again and choose another 2 items

Are you getting a maple log every fight? Last week I did Hurkan and got nothing. My inventory was 80/80.

I'll agree if nobody is getting any items but asking to get the best in only 1 fight is where I disagree. WR is new. Even when VW was first implemented, nobody got the best in such a short time.

The way I see it, you are talking from the point of view of a person who didn't get what you wanted. Not from the point of view from a person earning what you put effort and accomplished the reward because then maybe the boost of power from a nakuul item would change your POV as how it was worth it.

Already so many players complain that because people have Delve weapons, many people are excluding others from a good portion of the new events.

What will happen when several players stop doing Nakuuls and can't even get enough people to do them anymore?

Some complain there's nothing else to do.

What will happen when you have everything? What other goals are there for you to accomplish?

Personally I had fun even though I has to purchase the ki for 75k Bayld, I'd still do it again. Nakuul items may not be godly to some of you but to many there are players out there who are not even near close to having the ability to get one anytime soon.

This is where I feel sorry for the DEV team. They give us the content and have made several adjustments to make things easier and still people complain.

If I remember correctly kis were 100k not too long ago..
Earning Bayld through reives was harder than now..
I also thought Skirmish makes it easier to earn Bayld.

How many people would only do library quest and stop doing coalition rieves and Skirmish? Then players will argue that these events are dead and some will complain they cannot get past rieves to reach WR.

[Daemon]

You should be getting back 25k bayld from the fight unless you're a COR, which means it only ends up costing 25-50k.

Sadly I did not reach the boss in time to earn that Bayld back. But to earn that on top of earning Bayld in Skirmish how long would it take to obtain another ki?

Only one item, from one mob, once. If it was repeatable (and it really should be), there'd be less of a gripe because you could still make sure progress toward the items you wanted.

That's better than nothing. Heck I wish VW was like that.

Not really, no. It just looks that way right now because that was some of the only gear (along with Ixtab and the other weapons) to have their item level stats fully implemented upon release. Now that all ilvl gear has their proper stats, these things look much less impressive in comparison.

You my friend sound like you only aim for the best. I still think the gear is way better in comparison to the older content stuff. Which I understand, I mean inventory crisis lol.

And again, as soon as these zones' Delve variants come out, these items will all be considered trash again, and Wildskeeper v2 will go the way of the dodo just as quickly as Wildskeeper v1 did, if not sooner.

Yeah but that always happens in every new content update/release.

By the way, Coruscanti was never a top tier dagger even when it originally came out. Glowiness or rarity does not a good weapon make.

Oh I know, I just wanted it for my Thief at the time as I only use for farming and nothing else. My main is RDM & SCH for the time being. No point making an REM for a job I don't use for bigger things.

[detlef]

Effortless huh. LOL.

There is a balance between getting every single drop from a Wildskeeper Reive within 5-6 runs and obtaining only 3 of the drops in 10 runs. It should probably be closer to the former than the latter.

[detlef]

Seriously, go to 10 Yumcax and still be 3/6 on drops and missing the gloves, hat, and club. Then get back to me on how we want drops "effortlessly."

[Demon6324236]

Wanting it effortless is another.

No one said give us every drop for a single fight, let us buy the drops, or give us an item of our choosing every battle. No one has a problem with it being random so long as you are still getting 1 drop a fight that is truly worth something, to go out and do any fight this time taking and walk away with literally the equivalent of a Yagudo Bead Necklace but from Adoulin is complete stupidity. If we were assured we got 1 item, one of its primary and R/EX drops, each and every fight against it, everyone would have the items they want in at most 6 kills. To me, that's fine, all they need to do on top of it is add some of expencive craft items at a reasonable drop rate(not 1% drops like VW did with Legion mats...) and people would continue to do it to sell them.

I fail to understand how wanting to get an item for a 10 hour battle with Yumcax which is actually worth my time is wanting the game to be effortless or easy, its wanting it to be fun and not pissing me off. A few nights ago I spent probably 6 hours out at a WK Reive for Yumcax, I spent long enough out there that we kept wiping and getting back up only to wipe again, we failed to hurt it because of its regen. After 6 hours enough people came that we could fight it without wiping, it took about a hour from that point before we got the NM to 90% HP, we slowly fought it from that point till death, the overall battle took over 12 hours from when I entered till we killed it, it took 12 hours, the item I walked away with was literally an Arrowwood Log, a Log worth an amazing 5 gil to an NPC, 1k on the AH. My 12+ hours of standing in that zone, waiting, watching, and wiping, all of my xp loss, messed up sleeping schedule, all for this log. The only item I have from Yumcax is the Neck, that's it, I was lucky enough to reroll it again, and got nothing. Forgive me if I think that is stupid and wrong, and if I think it is flat out retarded for SE to expect a player base to put up with this kind of horrible design.

[Demon6324236]

This post is mostly off topic.

Lol teach me DJ because even I waited an entire week to an entire month only to burn those stones in a few hours.. I've spent millions of Gil even selling all my HMP and still didn't get the dagger. And yes I know it wasn't the best but it was something at the time I wanted because I don't own any REM daggers and didn't feel the need to waste my time for a job I only used for farming.

So rather than go out and spend the time to make a RME weapon for your THF/DNC/BRD you thought it better to fight Qilin 2,000 times and walk away with nothing still?

You could have literally used the Cruor from all of those Qilin to literally go out and brew down every single Glavoid Shell & Itzpapalotl Scale for the dagger, even Orthrus too. Hell, at the exchange rates for Cruor(1 Cruor = 2.595 Gil) which was with Blinkers, when I assume you did most of your Qilin, the 'golden age' of VW, 2,000 fights is 40,000,000 cruor, that's 103,800,000 Gil worth, if you spent that gil on a Relic you would have had most of your Mandau done, it leaves out DNC, but still. Even if its a job you use only for farming, you spent way to much time on going out to get this single dagger than you ever should have even tried.

I've never seen anyone kill VW bosses in 5 minutes. Can people cap red that fast?

If you never killed a Qilin in under 5 minutes, you had some horrible groups you went with. Groups I used to do it with were killing in under 3 usually because Qilin is a cake walk, he does nothing threatening and procing is easy so long as you have people who actually understand what splitting spells means. Even on slow kills with all melee procs, it never took all to long for a WAR or MNK to knock it out & kill.

[Daemon]

No one said give us every drop for a single fight

Oh? I never said every single drop. I was implying 1 good drop every fight.

I don't understand why people are against making a guaranteed drop in WKRs.

Is the reason I said that.

[Daemon]

This post is mostly off topic.

So rather than go out and spend the time to make a RME weapon for your THF/DNC/BRD you thought it better to fight Qilin 2,000 times and walk away with nothing still?

You could have literally used the Cruor from all of those Qilin to literally go out and brew down every single Glavoid Shell & Itzpapalotl Scale for the dagger, even Orthrus too. Hell, at the exchange rates for Cruor(1 Cruor = 2.595 Gil) which was with Blinkers, when I assume you did most of your Qilin, the 'golden age' of VW, 2,000 fights is 40,000,000 cruor, that's 103,800,000 Gil worth, if you spent that gil on a Relic you would have had most of your Mandau done, it leaves out DNC, but still. Even if its a job you use only for farming, you spent way to much time on going out to get this single dagger than you ever should have even tried.

If you never killed a Qilin in under 5 minutes, you had some horrible groups you went with. Groups I used to do it with were killing in under 3 usually because Qilin is a cake walk, he does nothing threatening and procing is easy so long as you have people who actually understand what splitting spells means. Even on slow kills with all melee procs, it never took all to long for a WAR or MNK to knock it out & kill.

When people tell you "I got the dagger 1/200 tries... Do you think I expected not to get one before 2,000+? O.o

Had I known I'd probably had 3 or more R/E done.

Seriously DJ I have a hard time believing that. Cycling through spells, especially BLM? Darkness proc wasted time. The amount of time to find out procs was another thing. And how many times someone has dual box characters like ninja in the party and did not proc or even land spells due to not having skills maxed?

I know Qilin is easy. But it's impossible to join a perfect group for 2,000 fights.

Sorry I take that back the only time I ever saw Qilin go down in 5 minutes was parting with JPs.

NA's sorry, there's people who dual box, fall asleep or afk during the fight. Don't even know blind and dispel is a darkness proc and Dark Knights power hungry and only want to WS most of the time and not even cast DRK spells for darkness.

Oh and yeah there are even BLM who don't know poison, poison II and poisonga are water procs.

There's whm who don't know addle is fire, slow is earth and paralyze is ice...

And some SCH don't even know Luminohelix is light BLM...

The confusion of 1,3,5 or the difference between HV and EV...

Then again every DD used fanatics. >.>

If there are perfect NA parties where were they when I joined??