How long is too long

[detlef]

Full time job, married, widowered, 8-year relationship and counting. But drag-out fights like that happen because people are stubborn and don't want to quit when they realize that the only rate of the mob's healthbar declined is measurable in is "percent per hour", rather than the far, far more quick results a proper fight actually is. That is, they think that just coming and starting the fight without the proper preparations = they'll be able to hack it out anyway.

If a fight drags that far out, I'm not one to go "Oh, goodie, if I stay three hours more, I MIGHT get something"...I'll go do something productive instead. Some players are masochistic that way. I'm not. I know what it's like when it's being done right, I've seen what it's like when it's done wrong, and I'm not wasting my time to clean up after them.

You have such a condescending attitude in all of your posts. Once people are at the fight, they are pretty much committed to the fight. Most people can't afford to warp and try a different strategy because 75k bayld is a significant investment. Once you're in the battlefield, that's it, you're not leaving. If the battle looks like it's not going well, realistically you have three options: keep slogging along, afk, or log out. In most cases, warping is not an option. On my server, the general attitude is to tough it out and hope the JPs with their army of CORs log on and kill it. That's just reality.

[Daemon]

You have such a condescending attitude in all of your posts. Once people are at the fight, they are pretty much committed to the fight. Most people can't afford to warp and try a different strategy because 75k bayld is a significant investment. Once you're in the battlefield, that's it, you're not leaving. If the battle looks like it's not going well, realistically you have three options: keep slogging along, afk, or log out. In most cases, warping is not an option. On my server, the general attitude is to tough it out and hope the JPs with their army of CORs log on and kill it. That's just reality.

Yeah but he is probably coming off with the same attitude that everyone else has. That its ridiculous to make us waste so much time earning 75k Bayld to purchase 1 ki and then dedicate countless hours fighting a boss when in reality every human being has a life and can't be glued stuck to a computer screen all day and night in hopes of earning an item.

Just he knows the difference in a good setup and a bad one which could extend the time further and make time wasted even more. I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to waste my time trying to make something happen if I can see that the party is a fail.

And we know there are many players eagerly wanting the best and show up not even prepared with the right gear, gear sets, food, meds, expecting to hop on the win train.

[Rustic]

You have such a condescending attitude in all of your posts. Once people are at the fight, they are pretty much committed to the fight. Most people can't afford to warp and try a different strategy because 75k bayld is a significant investment. Once you're in the battlefield, that's it, you're not leaving. If the battle looks like it's not going well, realistically you have three options: keep slogging along, afk, or log out. In most cases, warping is not an option. On my server, the general attitude is to tough it out and hope the JPs with their army of CORs log on and kill it. That's just reality.

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

And if that means a horde of JP players, then that's just a statement on the sad state of affairs in the NA playerbase.

If you have only a narrow chance of success with the conditions at hand and start anyway, then yes, I do look down on that. It's stupid, foolish, and wasteful of your previous efforts. The mob takes more effort than than what you can generate- stop getting on the court if you can't play ball, hoping that mysterious strangers from the East will kill it for you. Communicate. Plan it out and get in the game with the rest of the "team" that can fight and win- as noted, it's a public fight. If you're going to sit there until they show up anyway flailing and hoping that LOLRANDOM players aren't going to wipe you off the face of Vana'diel, then why not save the effort and open channels of communication with the people who can do the job? Offer to help, find out when they're doing things. Stop trying to "depend" on people who clearly can't fight the fight.

Or sit there for hours frustrated and waste a pile of bayld if you're not lucky. Which is the better plan?

[FrankReynolds]

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

And if that means a horde of JP players, then that's just a statement on the sad state of affairs in the NA playerbase.

If you have only a narrow chance of success with the conditions at hand and start anyway, then yes, I do look down on that. It's stupid, foolish, and wasteful of your previous efforts. The mob takes more effort than than what you can generate- stop getting on the court if you can't play ball, hoping that mysterious strangers from the East will kill it for you. Communicate. Plan it out and get in the game with the rest of the "team" that can fight and win- as noted, it's a public fight. If you're going to sit there until they show up anyway flailing and hoping that LOLRANDOM players aren't going to wipe you off the face of Vana'diel, then why not save the effort and open channels of communication with the people who can do the job? Offer to help, find out when they're doing things. Stop trying to "depend" on people who clearly can't fight the fight.

Or sit there for hours frustrated and waste a pile of bayld if you're not lucky. Which is the better plan?

Knock Knock...

Who's there?

A 99 White Mage

What do you want?

Are there a bunch of Japanese people in there?

Yeah, why?

Are they winning?

Sorta...

What's happening?

IDK...

Well Should I Enter? I don't want to waste my Bayld.

Uhhh... That's up to you man...

Well if I join will I win really fast?

I don't know. It seems... okay right now...


Yeah, but like if I join will I win pretty fast? I have to go to bed in a few hours...

HOW THE F*(&( SHOULD I KNOW?!?

Does anyone else know?

Pish off...


Seriously though, How are people supposed to know if someone is gonna come MPK them? or just generally screw everything up?

[Vivivivi]

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

(In The Rock's Voice) IT DOESNT MATTER IF PEOPLE ARE THERE WHO CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE THE FIGHT.
One person aggroing 3 panopts or more will screw things up for everyone.

This is not a flaw in the players capability to win the fight in a reasonable amount of time, it's a problem with the gameplay mechanic and a public event in which all mobs are targettable by everyone and AOE damage is dealt to everyone.

[Traxus]

(In The Rock's Voice) IT DOESNT MATTER IF PEOPLE ARE THERE WHO CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE THE FIGHT.
One person aggroing 3 panopts or more will screw things up for everyone.

This is not a flaw in the players capability to win the fight in a reasonable amount of time, it's a problem with the gameplay mechanic and a public event in which all mobs are targettable by everyone and AOE damage is dealt to everyone.

While I agree it's pretty screwed up how easy it is for a single player to MPK people in WKR, you could always extend the definition of:

Then the reality is not to enter the field until and if those who can actually handle the fight are there to do so.

to include a tank/dd/whatever party to handle adds that end up on/near the cors/plds/etc fighting the NM.