Quote Originally Posted by Peepiopi View Post
My opinion is that weapons that take ridiculously long times to get should be cool, but not necessary for progression. I think that the developers sort of have that opinion too, and it's the right decision. Doing things that way is an inhibitor to new players, which is more damaging to the future of the game than catering to a few diehards.
Ok, listen, this is where people go wrong. There is no reason at all in the game right now that Delve requires Delve weapons, gear, or anything of the sort, it also does not require RME weapons. This is all done as a restriction by the players who lead parties, meaning, if people who do, in fact, make parties, do not want this restriction, then it will not be had. The content is not designed for RME weapons, it is players who shout for RME weapons only. I see Qilin shouts all the time asking for RMED only, do you know how easy Qilin is now? It dies in less than 2 minutes most of the time, its a stupid requirement. Upgrading RMEs is not them making them nessessary, its never been them doing that, its the players! If more people who do not care if people have them made parties, then no one would complain, but people never do that because they instantly realize the quality of their party is enhanced by bringing only those people.

I'm an older player just coming back to the game. I never bothered with the R/M/E weapons because it's not worth spending years doing.
It does not take a year to make a RME weapon... If you are worthy of having one, which to me means you are moderately well geared for the job you will be using it on primarily as well as knowing how to play it, then it takes a few months at most.

An Emp takes a couple days for the Lottery pop NMs, meaning a total of maybe 40 hours, does this seem like a long time? Well sure, but in this time, play something else, watch something, do something else in your life, come back every 5 minutes to kill a random mob and go afk again. Its boring, but its easy. Sometimes you can team up with people doing the same trial, if so, awesome, alternate whos on watch, take a nap, watch a movie, goto work, walk your dog, whatever you want. VNMs are easy, get a friend or two with a DD & healer or if you can fill in one of those, do it, tada, you have yourself well on your way, might even find a party for these, sometimes large, sometimes small. Then comes Abyssea NMs, they drop +2s, any new or returning player needs these, some long time players need them too, even I do, so that's not to hard to get help for, but the quality might vary. Now, you have an Emp.

A Relic takes doing Dynamis, depending how well you do it, this can take between 2 months, and 6 months, of doing a 2 hour run every day, but its only 2 hours, if you have more time, get money, buy currency, you will walk away with a Relic even sooner. If you can not solo Dynamis on your job using /DNC or another appropriate subjob, you do not need or deserve the Relic so far as I am concerned, so you should not bother worrying about it, and should instead focus on getting geared and skilled at the job. If you are to stubborn to use the proper subjob, kindly remind yourself that everything has a time and place, Dynamis is the place where /DNC is the most relevant thing around for almost every job.

Mythics, I wont even write all of the work out for, yes, they take 5~6 months, ignore them if you want, they are already trophies for the most part.

Delve is doable with Skirmish weapons which are just as good as RME when upgraded. But it seems to me that shouters require RME DDs really more because of status. "I put the time into getting these weapons, so I'm only allowing people with RMEs" sort of thing.
Its because of the level of damage they output. Even if Skirmish weapons are the same, they are augmented, and very few people do Skirmish, its the same reason why many people used to exclude Mythics, no one had them. If they removed RME weapons completely what do you think people would shout for now that Delve was 'fixed'? Delve weapons only, ignoring those who did not get in first, and guess what, right now, it would work, because it already does, I see enough people ignore RME weapons right now in Delve to prove it.

I think the RMEs shouldn't get upgraded any further, and just let them be trophies. I think they should keep the focus on the new content, and the new content only. The progression should be completely focused within SoA content, and they can't encourage that by incentivizing old content.
So abandon the last 10 years worth of game, and focus only on what is new and being worked on now, that sounds brilliant.

They have to make the current content simple to progress, and the endgame items need to be challenging enough to earn, but not take unreasonably long to earn.
I agree, they do need to be challenging rather than time taking, sadly, that does not work with this player base because we do whatever we can to win, like stun-locking and such, so content is never really 'hard' more that its annoying and broken without exploiting certain abilities.