why no mention of r/e/m

[Yinnyth]

No. Look at what you just said. You named three weapons that more or less happily coexisted for a long time and in the same sentence implied that there can only be one good weapon.

You're claiming that RME happily coexisted together, and any of the 3 are just as strong as any other one? My best friend ingame has a 99 bravura and has been turned down in over a dozen parties because the 99 bravura was not a 90 ukon. How many dragoons strive towards gungnir instead of ryunohige? Who in their right mind would make a gambanteinn for their whm instead of yagrush? Redemption or ragnarok? Kikoku or kannagi? Farsha or guttler? Claustrum or chatoyant staff?

There is ALWAYS a best. It fluctuates with time and circumstance, but there is always one that is on top, and everyone strives to be the best. Everyone wants a delve megaboss weapon right now, but not everyone has the means to obtain one. Not everyone has the means to obtain even a normal delve weapon. So right now, we have reached a point in the game where weapon diversity is at a peak. It will eventually level out as everyone learns how to kill megabosses, but hopefully by that time, we'll have new gear to strive towards, and the climb continues.

[Demon6324236]

There is always a best, the thing is, those were often close to one another at the same level. People not taking a Bravura because its not an Ukon is simply being picky, its like if I said I would not take a Apoc DRK because they were not a Rag DRK, the level of power is not far off, and it has Accuracy, Apoc has Haste while Bravura has DT as an advantage.

[Yinnyth]

There is always a best, the thing is, those were often close to one another at the same level. People not taking a Bravura because its not an Ukon is simply being picky, its like if I said I would not take a Apoc DRK because they were not a Rag DRK, the level of power is not far off, and it has Accuracy, Apoc has Haste while Bravura has DT as an advantage.

So what you're saying is you prefer "flavor of the month" to "Flavor of the Month"? People got ragnarok because of resolution. Before resolution, ragnarok was crap. People got verethragna because crit WSs were where it was at. But if enough monsters with crit resist were introduced, verethragna would be poop and people would want spharai instead. Keep in mind, this is all before SoA. Conditions in the game would change, then a new weapon becomes the flavor of the month because it handles those conditions better than any other weapon.

What we have now instead of RMEs (which not everyone can obtain yet) is delve megaboss weapons (which not everyone can obtain yet). We also have normal delve weapons (which most, but not all people are willing to obtain) instead of 99 magian weapons (which most, but not all people are willing to obtain). We also have skirmish weapons (for people trying to get up to the point where they can get delve weapons), instead of.............................. nothing. We also have bayld gear (for people trying to get up to the point where they can get skirmish, naakual, or delve gear), instead of.... nothing again. We also have every other freaking piece of gear which has ever existed. And you're trying to tell me weapon variety has decreased? On what grounds?

[FrankReynolds]

You're claiming that RME happily coexisted together, and any of the 3 are just as strong as any other one?

No, but they were close enough. Some should have been better at certain things. The mage ones more or less suck, but other than that, they were all good enough to beat any content up until maybe legion? Look how popular that was.

There is ALWAYS a best. It fluctuates with time and circumstance, but there is always one that is on top, and everyone strives to be the best. Everyone wants a delve megaboss weapon right now, but not everyone has the means to obtain one. Not everyone has the means to obtain even a normal delve weapon. So right now, we have reached a point in the game where weapon diversity is at a peak. It will eventually level out as everyone learns how to kill megabosses, but hopefully by that time, we'll have new gear to strive towards, and the climb continues.

Sounds like something a rich idiot would say to a poor person. "Diversity".

[Demon6324236]

So what you're saying is you prefer "flavor of the month" to "Flavor of the Month"?

What I am saying is they were close in worth, there was every reason for someone to get Ragnarok to cap out damage, there was also every reason for a DRK to make an Apoc for great survivability. There was veritiy between these two because they did different things for the job really. What do you think of the new Scythe? Huh? Please tell me, because to me, it seems that its trash. To me, it looks like the GS is all that matters for DRK atm. What about WAR? The only thing for WAR is Bloodbath or Razor, what was it like before? Ragnarok for non Crit, Ukon for Crit, Bravura for Defense, oh look, verity, changes, not everyone being the exact same way in every single event. There was a reason to make one weapon over another, but most had a reason to be made, now, all of it is a single weapon at the top, no utility weapons up there, utility weapons are all half DMG, worthless and wasted by compare.

[Phafi]

RME doesn't NEED to be the top of the food chain, they should be usable weapons, but if they are the top which cannot be adjusted, there will only ever be side grades for 90% of future equipment. Personally, I'd rather have future equipment minimize the amount of things I carry to play certain jobs like RDM, SCH, BLU and PLD as they're all 78/80 in gear alone at the moment.

[Demon6324236]

RME does need to be the top, because they all take much longer than any other thing in the game. Why would someone go out to get a RME when they can get another weapon much faster or easier that is tied or better than them? Side grades in gear can be sidestepped by making gear that's actually good, putting more stats on single pieces to condense them down and make our inventories lighter. These things can be done to keep rewards relevant if they only did it, but to simply make weapons better than RMEs when they take so long is not acceptable, its the reason why half the Mythics are only made by the most die hard of people. Did you know that only Kincard and 1 other person have a Nagi listed on AH.com? You know why? Worthless weapon, always has been, probably will always be, and yet, they made it because of a love for the job probably, outside of that, its trash, and that's how all RME would become if they were not the top.

[Zumi]

Well they said it wouldn't be in the next update for sure. People forgetting that. I am guessing they are waiting till the next tier of weapons that surpass delve boss weapons to be out, to adjust them because as it stands now if they were planing the change to weapons to similar to what Excalibur is they would already pass delve boss weapons and give people not much reason to do them.

[pretre]

it makes sense to put rem weapons at the top because it keeps 4 diff end games active which would die otherwise (VW dyna abys salvage) people will still go for delve weapons too and spend there time on rem for the jobs they always wanted pimped

[Daemon]

Seriously you guys, Adoulin expansion has NOT been out that long. You can't expect them to be super computer robot programmers, designers, debuggers, testers, storyline writers, music composition, copyright, concept artist, And so many other roles that go behind to creating a game to keep up with everyone's complaints and demand. Yeah I know, We love our REM. but they are human beings just like the rest of us. Damn I dropped out of programming C+ the first week because there's just so much behind coding that you can't expect them to do everything in such a short time.

Now keeping us waiting to implement something like Haste 2 for almost a year now that's something reasonable to argue about.