why no mention of r/e/m

[pretre]

I find it difficult to play the game atm and this will prolly carry on till rem gets resolved one way or another, 2 of my 3 lses have totally fallen apart due to people quiting and some jumping to xiv, all this would be fixed if they would stop "discussing" REMs and make a decision already. i know they said its getting an upgrade but show us some numbers or give us a specific outline of the future of these weapons so people can make there quit or stay decision already, stop mentioning rem in middle of long ass post and give us a long ass post specifically on REMs, sorry to cry but was really hoping for info on the next post involving REMs an here we are with this word "discussing" again

[Babekeke]

Earliest you'll see an upgrade is September.

[pretre]

just the info would be nice

[MSTRLied]

Let me just say that I don't have a R/E/M (not for a lack of trying) I can regial you stories of how i paid people 500k to simply go on assault runs with me to get captain rank (I've only gotten up to lance corporal with one more assault till rank up) and i didn't even ask them to even participate just enter and afk if they wanted...(the feeding assaults got me good)
So yes i spent millions of gil, ive spent time aswell getting others up to the rank so they could join me on assaults so i can one day get captain.

Am i angry about delve weapons? no, is it jealousy or envy no... i still want a mythic and one day ill get one even if the servers get shut off, all be damned... it will happen.

But honestly delve weapons have done the one thing in the world that makes me happy and that's make CLIQS irrelevant. I mean honestly at some point this game should have been renamed to Cliq Fantasy XI.
InB4 your just angry your not in a cliq...
please note that the basic guide to obtaining R/E/M can be basically summed up to try to join or form a cliq, and in the process of joining a cliq (because that's the only way things get done) give the cliq leaders their R/E/M then watch them disappear when it's your turn.

But back to the point... Delve weapons although easier to obtain then R/E/M add the ability to obtain current usefull gear without having to run into "those" type of people.... not to mention there is the basic point following past traditions they will finally release R/E/M like weapon along the lines of , experimental equipment developed by the inventors coalition using the power found with in Adolin areas... then they would add unnecessary upgrades like; like start it at item lvl 100 then release upgrades to get it to 105-110-115-120 then eventually they will release stuff with item level of 140 base then increased so on... Very Little will change other then now casuals wont need to work cliqs to get 1 item... now it'll be have fun with friends without crying and begging them to come help you farm glavoid.

[Helldemon]

You realize you're post is all pointless, don't you? You talk having to join/form a cliq to get RME before for the upgrades over the other AH/Drop weapons but the same thing is happening now with megaboss weapons and guess what, megaboss weapons are leagues beyond the next best thing far far far far far far more then what RME and the next best thing used to be.

The situation is even worse now as there is a extremely noticeable difference between someone with Megaboss weapon and someone with a plasm weapon which could never be made up no matter how good your gear or skill in this game is. Back in the day, best drop/AH weapon if the person was good and geared well could outdo people of the same job with RME.

Back then, let's just say someone with RME vs the next best thing was somewhere around a 10-20% difference in damage depending on weapon and assuming both people are equally geared. Now the Difference between a megaboss weapon and the next best thing is more like 40-50% assuming equally geared.

[MSTRLied]

:/ the gap in effectiveness between delve weapons and megaboss weapons have no actual correlation to cliqs. Before delve weapons and such existed obtaining R/E/M was difficult not because the content was in itself hard... putting aside time consuming thanks to their wait one real life day rule. But because what you need was hard because there was a dependence on other players, no one wanted to help regardless if they were bored beyond belief simply because they got nothing out of it. Because of it people formed Scam cliqs or formed ls's got what they needed then disappeared (under the guise that people who helped where gonna get what they needed). Not to say everyone is like that they're after all various people who got lucky aka the ones who actually took years to make it.

When i say Delve gear removed the relevance of cliqs was that finally people had an equal opportunity to obtain items, not just the few who are selfish. Theres no lot battling for items that 16 people in your alliance are trying to obtain, or ls shaming for lotting on something that the ls leader or his core friends want on a whim, or think you don't deserve, or you want but they want to sell for gil. Everyone gets bayld, everyone gets plasma, everyone gets megaboss win... the only difference between someone without and someone with is that one had more time. (Especially since there isn't any staggering time constraint like assaults or dyna, speeding the overall process up while still maintaining difficulty)

You could argue its easy but lets be honest they're people getting owned as we speak not being able to kill these bosses, and there are some people beating them like cake walk.

Sure i can concede that there are people who are being elitist and wont invite you unless you have megaboss weapon and i can understand how this might lead you to think they are cliqs but in truth they are just elitist cliqs and guess what? partying with them isnt going to be prereq... we can just ignore them, no more kissing up to them, so u can help them get glavoid shells just so u can get the seals it drops.. then have them behave like they were doing you a favor.

Now to address the gap in effectiveness... Lets be serious... Content moving forward is going to be several times harder, since leveling up is out of the question gear that can equalize and make any new content doable has to far outclass previous items, unless you want everyone to do all the new high lvl content with stuff people got 4 years ago, or better yet have absolutely no equipment removing any real point in doing any content? not to mention severely limiting the possibilities ... the new item lvl system allows for more diversity and in the end is a sneaky ingenious method to add a bunch of new content or rather increase everyone's strength while technically being within the parameters of the original game (aka damn ps2 creeping up again)

Now this in and of itself is where the divide is mainly despite the fact this thread is dividing into multiple camps (the prominent ones being;
I think R/E/M should get a boost considering thier difficulty i don't want Megaboss lvl weapons but at least make em delve equivalent... that way they can have some use in new content while still having something else to strive for. Considering lore and the fact they are SIGNATURE weapons.... kinda

I think Delve Bayld weapons are the devil remove them immediately from my sight ... they have no point of existing blah blah blah this is no longer a game i used to enjoy playing 7 years ago rawr rawr rawr... I'm angry and if i wanted to play something new or different or refreshing id just go to a different game. Seeing the good in the new system are for noobs.
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Personally I'd Prefer the first camp but at least SE should think at this point the requirements for said weapons should be reduced severely (If only for the base weapons aka... more alexindrite per pouch, increased currency drop rates, reduction of time limits like jp midnight?) Then again there's also the fact that we don't know what the JP players feel at the moment... everyone after all knows about japan hard.