[dev1143] One-handed and Ranged Weapon Adjustments

[Oddwaffle]

I think what he mean is Mnk has similar or even higher delay in high buff situations than say a 2H weapon job (war or drg for example). This is because the natural delay of empty H2H is 480. If you add in the weapon delay of +86, you get a 566 delay weapon that does not have the bonus of extra TP given by 2H weapon (the TP gain chart shows high TP gain on high delay weapon but doesn't seem to work with H2H). 2H weapon can easily reach 75% delay reduction with Hasso and cap haste (69%? haste) without losing any of the large TP it naturally gives. On the other hand, H2H has higher base delay and suffer from the reduced TP gain from martial arts trait.

I think this is one of the reason why SE is giving very high DPS for H2H weapon.

[Byrth]

Look at this post.

Re-cap:
Monk with 7/8 or 8/8 H2H merits and Rigor Baghnakhs has a base damage per hand of 152 and a base DPS of 33.8 (with 0 Martial Arts traits).
Every other melee Delve weapon has 27.3~27.5 DPS.
Mage Delve weapons have ~23 DPS.

Hand-to-hand has a >20% weapon DPS advantage over other jobs, which they still possess at the delay cap. Monk has the distinction of being essentially the only 1H DD used in endgame at the moment because of this reason and their large HP pools.

Apart from "I want to fill the equipment slot", I can't see any compelling argument for giving "knuckle grips" or whatever other stupid shit monks have proposed over the years.



Nerf monk and buff 1H DDs so that they're all as powerful as monk currently is.

[MarkovChain]

There are no 1 handed DD beside MNK. Nin is supposed to be a tank, blu a mage, thf a TH whore, DNC idk but definitely not DD, bst is for solo, pup idk ...

And the issue is not mnk vs other DDs, it's MNk and WAR vs others because let's face it, anything that is not mnk or war has been sucking at DDing for years, hence why nobody plays them.

[darkhorror]

Look at this post.

Re-cap:
Monk with 7/8 or 8/8 H2H merits and Rigor Baghnakhs has a base damage per hand of 152 and a base DPS of 33.8 (with 0 Martial Arts traits).
Every other melee Delve weapon has 27.3~27.5 DPS.
Mage Delve weapons have ~23 DPS.

Hand-to-hand has a >20% weapon DPS advantage over other jobs, which they still possess at the delay cap. Monk has the distinction of being essentially the only 1H DD used in endgame at the moment because of this reason and their large HP pools.

Apart from "I want to fill the equipment slot", I can't see any compelling argument for giving "knuckle grips" or whatever other stupid shit monks have proposed over the years.



Nerf monk and buff 1H DDs so that they're all as powerful as monk currently is.

That is the main reason MNK can keep up with 2handers, and it's the reason 1hand jobs fall behind in damage dealing.

[Babekeke]

There are no 1 handed DD beside MNK. Nin is supposed to be a tank, blu a mage, thf a TH whore, DNC idk but definitely not DD, bst is for solo, pup idk ...

And the issue is not mnk vs other DDs, it's MNk and WAR vs others because let's face it, anything that is not mnk or war has been sucking at DDing for years, hence why nobody plays them.

You've obviously not seen a gimp SAM with delve weapon out-DDing pretty much everyone with the brokenness that is Tachi: Shoha.

[Nebo]

anything that is not mnk or war has been sucking at DDing for years, hence why nobody plays them.

Except for all those silly DRKS running around hitting things with their Greatswords?

[Mirage]

There are no 1 handed DD beside MNK. Nin is supposed to be a tank, blu a mage, thf a TH whore, DNC idk but definitely not DD, bst is for solo, pup idk ...

And the issue is not mnk vs other DDs, it's MNk and WAR vs others because let's face it, anything that is not mnk or war has been sucking at DDing for years, hence why nobody plays them.

MarkovChain for most dogmatic member 2013.

[Taint2]

You've obviously not seen a gimp SAM with delve weapon out-DDing pretty much everyone with the brokenness that is Tachi: Shoha.

Shoha isn't even SAMs best Weapon Skill.....

[Mirage]

That's situational.

[Demon6324236]

Shoha isn't even SAMs best Weapon Skill.....

Doesn't have to be the best to be broken, and once we can unlock RE WSs, SAM will only get better.