New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Alerith]

Don't count your chocobos before they hatch, pal.

This.

They said they MIGHT do something IF they have manpower.

[Jackstin]

Don't count your chocobos before they hatch, pal.

I get what you mean. They've said they'll fix R/E/M they could do something rubbish like make the WSs better...

But....I mean. Is it worth getting this angry over something which we know is going to be addressed?

[Alerith]

I get what you mean. They've said they'll fix R/E/M they could do something rubbish like make the WSs better...

But....I mean. Is it worth getting this angry over something which we know is going to be addressed?

Again...they said they might fix them. It's a coin toss right now.

[Zagen]

Again...they said they might fix them. It's a coin toss right now.

Where was the impression this was only a "might be fixed" given because everything I've read since SoA came out was that they would remain relevant and the only indecision on the development's team was how.

[Raksha]

Hello,

Matsui here.

We've been receiving some questions in regards to what we will be doing with relic, mythic, and empyrean weapons moving forward, so I would like to address what I can at the moment.

We are not planning to enhance relic, mythic, or empyrean weapons via Trial of the Magians or through other methods.

However, in regards to these weapons that you have enhanced up to level 99, we are formulating plans so that they do not go to waste. (Including the weapons that do not yet have their afterglows.)

In regards to the shields and instruments, even in light of the growth that will take place for characters with Adoulin equipment, these in particular are still at the highest caliber and will not be addressed in the plans mentioned above.

While I'm unable to talk about the specifics at this point in time, as soon as the time comes where I can, I will be sure to let you all know.

I'd like to deeply apologize for mentioning "Don’t throw away your relic, mythic, and empyrean weapons" during an interview. Relic, mythic, and empyrean (below R/M/E weapons) take a great deal of time and difficulty to obtain, and this expression was extremely lacking in consideration for all of the players who tried so hard to complete them.

What I wished to convey was that we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons, so please have them in your possession, and there was no other meaning intended.

In regards to this system, the outline has been finished; however, we have yet to test if what we have planned can be realized and if we can secure the proper amount of manpower to continue it. We are at a point in time right now where it's difficult to explain the details, so please allow us to discuss this another day.

For the Adoulin end-game content aimed at the top players, where they can obtain high level equipment as well, we will gradually make adjustments to difficulty so that once new end-game content is released you'll be able to obtain these items if you put in a bit of effort.

Also, we will similarly be adjusting content in existing areas, though it may take some time and be a limited time event.

Matsui here.

I have some follow-up information regarding how we plan to build on relic, mythic, empyrean, and Walk of Echoes ("coin") weapons (I'll refer to them as RMEC below. Apologies that I left out coin weapons in my last post).

There are many who feel upset and uneasy regarding the recently introduced weapons, as well as the information that has been conveyed until now. So while this information is still not finalized, I would like to give a bit more insight into our plans.

We are planning to unlock the special weapon skills that are granted from RMEC weapons when you have upgraded them to their level 99 form (this includes non-afterglow weapons, and shield/instruments will not be included in this). However, we plan on adding some conditions that fall in line with the jobs that can equip the respective RMEC weapons.

As we have yet to finish all the testing as to whether or not we can do this, please let me again reiterate that this is not yet finalized.

Due to the nature of this topic, we definitely need to proceed carefully, so despite the fact that I'm only mentioning this at the idea level, I understand that the level of disappointment will be quite great if I say that it is too difficult to accomplish this after all, and I was thinking it would be best to let you all know once it took a bit more shape.

You're probably thinking "if that’s the case, then don’t announce anything," but because I thought it wouldn't be good to not let you know anything until plans were finalized I decided to make this post. (I've been under so much stress I feel like I'm going to get an ulcer >< But I know I shouldn't be complaining.)

While the memories you made and the stats on your equipment cannot always be proportionate, we are trying our best to see if we can keep all of the effort spent on earning these weapons intact.

We plan to do all that we can, but please give us some time for this.

Pretty sure this is all the relevant dev info that we've been given.
Emphasis mine.

[svengalis]

I get what you mean. They've said they'll fix R/E/M they could do something rubbish like make the WSs better...

But....I mean. Is it worth getting this angry over something which we know is going to be addressed?

Now that I had time to think about this I think it is. You can make the adoulin weapons 10x(30x if your talking mythics) faster then you can get a R/E/M to 99. They also don't cost you a thing. How many people actually have fully upgraded R/E/M?

[Manux]

if you ask me they are not going to remap due to the fact it will take alot of time the currency's have gone down to 5k each now in Asura server. If you want your own relic nows the time lol

[Satonaka]

I'm all for the WS being transferred to the new delve/boss drop weapons via a 99 REMC

So the weapon loses it's shiny coat and it's unique look. It's no different than a car losing it's shine over the years. It doesn't negate the hard work and maintenance you put into the car to keep it running good this long, but sometimes you just gotta upgrade to the better model because nothing lasts forever.

[Zumi]

Well using the Swords in terms of DPS
Almace > Excalibur > Burtgang > Buramenk'ah > Halachuinic Sword

On other weapons the order of relic mythic empyrean will change, but you will see a similar result with them being top again for now until the next content. Relics damage procs, and odd on empyrean will beat out the boss delve sword. But is this what people really wanted though? What will happen next content update when stronger stuff is released they won't be the best anymore but probably still useable. With how few people are even killing Delve Bosses to get the key items I can see people going for relics for a weapon that is better then delve boss weapons, but doesn't that make the bosses kind of pointless, well you could get rich selling crafting mats but then still.

Excalibur
DMG: 121 Delay: 233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP

Burtgang
DMG: 131 Delay: 264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice

Almace
DMG: 114 Delay: 224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage

Halachuinic Sword
DMG:104 Delay:228 Accuracy+16 Attack+15
Aguments: +15 attack +10 acc +10 str

Buramenk'ah
DMG:130 Delay:240 STR+13 Accuracy+25 Attack+25 "Double Attack"+3%

[Metaking]

well when using the boss weapons as an example in this line up for swords, there going to be the best off handed weapon, tho almace excal and burt/tazonia/cant remember rdms sword, are going to depend on venerables for which is best, that 40 attack difference is a big deal but moving on.

The delve boss weapons will be nice jewels for those sometimes jobs like for me mnk, i will never take the time to make relic knuckles i just dont care about it enough tho i use it some times so the delve weapon would be perfect for me(assuming people start killing them regularly) i can buy it with plasma if i ever beat the trex tho probably take me a week to farm the 200k plasma (really not that much different from a magin trail there in time) and be pretty styling tho, i dont think i should be up to that mnk that made a 99 relic that took 2-3 months tho.