Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[Kojo]

After 30 pages of R/M/E complaints, we're complaing about a cheese sandwich now?

[Randnum]

After 30 pages of R/M/E complaints, we're complaing about a cheese sandwich now?

Whatever it takes to get the point across!

Wait, did you get the point?

[Ashman]

Guys listen... I know that no one likes sacrificing their virgin daughters to the mountain dragon but if you keep doing it for generations perhaps he will grow fat and happy and start being benevolent!

[Kojo]

Speaking of Tanaka, I wonder what he thinks. In an interview, he stated that before he left, he wanted to make sure the team had a timeline roadmap to stick to, lately things have gotten VERY un-Tanaka. If he were still at the helm, I doubt damage ratings would ever get this high, and if so, Tanaka's creations, his lasting legacy wouldn't be left to fall into obscurity.

I feel Tanaka is somewhere, either laughing, crying, or shaking his head at the direction this game is going.

[FrankReynolds]

I don't see why you no longer have fun doing the content you had fun one week ago.
Does it really matter that the digit written on other people virtual goods are higher than on yours?
if you enjoy playing the game, no it doesn't, keep enjoying the game trying to get em.
if you didn't enjoy playing the game , wtf were you playing this game?

RME weapons are (occasionally) fun to make, but they are mostly work. When they made new weapons that are twice as powerful, they basically cut the pay for the job.

This is the video game equivalent of switching your pay grade from 20 euros an hour to 20 Mexican pesos an hour and cancelling your pension / retirement fund. Do people still get some satisfaction from a job well done? Yes. Do people get enough satisfaction from a job well done to compensate for the fact that they just took a 90% pay cut and lost all their tenure / benefits? Not by a long shot. Time to look for a new place (Game) to work.

EDIT: For those that don't know, 20 pesos is about 1.25 euros.

[Ica]

ps: lol at "taxes are voluntary"

I got a good chuckle out of this also. I'll have to ask Yinnyth which box I check on my W-4 for the option to have no taxes taken at all!

[Kojo]

I got a good chuckle out of this also. I'll have to ask Yinnyth which box I check on my W-4 for the option to have no taxes taken at all!

Yeah, we CHOOSE to pay taxes like we CHOOSE to breathe, we CHOOSE to consume food and drink, we CHOOSE to go to the bathroom. You may not HAVE to do these things, but there are dire consequences when you don't. Such as, losing your house in the case of taxes, or your life or health on the other 3. (Just pointing that out for anyone who doesn't get it.)

[Rustic]

The simplest and dirtiest solution is just tack on +75 or however much onto RME so they're still a little better than everything else. It's still kinda lazy but problem solved.

While you're at it, get them to do the same thing for Sky gear. It's only fair, we had to camp those for months or years straight and pray we got the drop. Ridill, too.

What, too much?

IMHO, don't just mindlessly upgrade R/M/E. Give them upgrade PATHS.

RME Weapon + three nak/delve drops + bunch of plasm = reforged RME, but the weapon has to be completed to it's pre-Adoulin maximum first. Statwise, they do NOT need to be superior, as long as they keep their unique WS'es and their stats go up to match Adoulin's endgame weaponry. Put a trader goblin out somewhere that takes keeping the way cleared to it's utmost maximum of exploration.

Voila. You've just made the expansion relevant for ages to come.

[Keyln]

If this is going to be a progressive, old gear will, eventually have to be obsolete, including RMECs.

And halt. Pause. Rewind.

My question to the above quote is: "Why?"

I understand your argument about things needing to be progressive. That's fine. But R/M/E aren't subject to this rule. They are (or were) the best weapons in their class. They were the "Ultimate Weapons" of this game, with requirements that, for the most part, reflected such, and were to be the end all weapon for that type.

Why does what the weapon is (in this case, the Ultimate Weapon) have to change? Just because someone says progression can't happen without them becoming useless?

I don't think so. The trials did exactly what was necessary. They kept the Ultimate Weapons where they should be, which is at the top. Just because someone made their Mandau back in 2005 and eight years have now passed does not mean that the time they spent working on it is suddenly invalid.

People bring up this silly argument all the time. "R/M/E can't be the best forever!".

Why not? They were designed to be.

Because it's the nature of the progressive MMO, which outside of sandbox style MMOs such as Ultima Online and Second Life, is most MMO's on the market, FFXI included.

In order to create bigger and better challenges, bigger and better monsters need to be created, which needs bigger and better gear to handle.

This means that old gear that was suited for old content will be made obsolete, just as old content is more or less made obsolete. That includes the most powerful weapons of its time.

Sure, RMECs can be updated to match, but truth be told, it only would postpone the inevitable. The next time that there would be an update, it would make the RMECs obsolete again, and we would have this argument again.

It's the nature of MMOs, and complaining about it does no favor to the dev team of FFXI. It's like complaining that water is wet, or that gravity exists, and wanting someone to do something about it.

With that said, I find it funny that people are comparing this game to a job Protip, guys: If playing a game feels more like a job than fun, stop playing.

[Kojo]

All I can say is that I know this much is true; DNC should be able to use Mandau. No reason not to, especially now. In fact, DNC NEEDS Mandau, so we can be... Mandau Ballet~