Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[crutan]

Was trying to be nice earlier, but you're basically confessing you're too lazy to equip yourself properly and expect the devs to cater to you so... Yeah. RME onry is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Why should we do the work for you? :\

[Kojo]

To be honest, I'm not really sure why I play anymore, I log in, I stand around trying to think of something to do, and I log having thought of nothing. When I think about it, I wasn't sure why I played before, but I had friends to do things with, and it was fun. I see the game changing around me and I don't like it. I'm gonna stick around awhile longer just to see what happens.

EDIT: I suppose one idea is to level WHM and use that to gear my other jobs... Maybe?

[Alpheus]

To be honest, I'm not really sure why I play anymore, I log in, I stand around trying to think of something to do, and I log having thought of nothing. When I think about it, I wasn't sure why I played before, but I had friends to do things with, and it was fun. I see the game changing around me and I don't like it. I'm gonna stick around awhile longer just to see what happens.
EDIT: I suppose one idea is to level WHM and use that to gear my other jobs... Maybe?

It's definitely the path I took when I started playing 3 years ago and with a bit of luck of running into people I got along with, I'd like to think being willing to do things like have WHM, SCH, COR prepped to fill in those roles; presented me with quite a few opportunities to get where I'm at today in game. Find a niche, see if filling it would in turn leave you fulfilled with some sense of enjoyment and try to thrive in that niche. That's the approach I've taken with the game. Granted it was tempered with cold hard facts such as not thinking I can out DD a main DD on RDM or WHM melee on anything worthwhile.

[Kojo]

It's definitely the path I took when I started playing 3 years ago and with a bit of luck of running into people I got along with, I'd like to think being willing to do things like have WHM, SCH, COR prepped to fill in those roles; presented me with quite a few opportunities to get where I'm at today in game. Find a niche, see if filling it would in turn leave you fulfilled with some sense of enjoyment and try to thrive in that niche. That's the approach I've taken with the game. Granted it was tempered with cold hard facts such as not thinking I can out DD a main DD on RDM or WHM melee on anything worthwhile.

I'll only use WHM as a utility job, also I want to hit things with a hammer when not doing something important.

[AldielQuetz]

Rush... Were you just too lazy to dedicate 50 hours a week to this game, forgoing sleep, farming endless tree cuttings, growing endless tree cuttings and saplings, harvesting dark ores.... Oh wait you probably didn't even play back then. So how could you possibly know where this "balance fiasco" came from let alone have a weapon you prize more than the game itself. The balance concept came from SE and the REMs are not the cause but they are effected by balance. Balance is what SE says when they don't have any other explanation or when they just want you to take what they are selling and kindly take a cup of shush and go have a seat.

But more seriously, it first came about when talk of certain jobs being over powered arose, IN TWO THOUSAND AND FOUR, when they nerfed RNG into the Stone Age. At first, since there was no forum, no ~dev team coordinators~ we just heard about balance in the update notes and basically had to suck it. But now it's just way over used.

Now, to be realistic, lets just take the average jump in base DMG of any REM from level 95 to 99, a five level difference, it's between 4 and 11 damage depending on what weapon. Lets take a look at the jump we just made, of between 70 and 120 base DMG from a 99 weapon that was the best of the best at the end of march and a 99 weapon near or at the top at the BEGINNING OF MAY OF THE SAME YEAR. That's a rediculous jump. If anything should have made that jump, it is REM. the time to make them is disproportionate entirely to their standing and SE promised that those weapons would remain at the top of their respective classes. But it's obvious with the sudden influx of TH+ items for pets that we can't keep REMs on top... Oh yeah, SE has lied to us before so let's stop arguing and bitching and just present a mature united front with a great number of good suggestions and not accept anything but our due.

What is our due... Well we have been paying that same dollar amount for 10 years for a game that's graphics are so outdated it looks like a Nintendo 64 game.... If we pay for this crap, then we deserve to have that 3 man dev team fix our damn REMs and maybe have one less smoke break because as it has been pointed out, it would take maybe an hour to add 70 base DMG across the board to all REMs, or 70 to 1handers and 100 to 2handers, so add an extra 20 mins on there, and TADA everyone is happy.

Thanks

[RushLynx]

There is absolutely no reason why the RME weapons can't be upgraded to an equal or slightly stronger form than the delve weapons themselves via drops from delve thus facilitating the ability for RME owners to keep their weapons while helping out people who just want delve weapons...

No one is preventing RME owners from keeping their weapons. Even if they were nerfed to 1 dmg, still, no one is forcing anyone to toss their weapons. As it stands, though, the only people with access to the new weapons are those with the old weapons, at multiple angles of approach. Judging by people's track record with pretty much anything difficult in this game, I don't see very many people turning around after getting through the new content and saying "Hey guys, let me spend some time to help you through it too." No, they're going to immediately go to the next stuff and proceed with acting like douche-bags. 'Well, I could help you out now, but that sounds like a lot of work... and I need all this stuff for myself...'

There are a lot of people in here who seem appalled by the notion that people simply take and swindle their way to the top in this game. I've played this game for 10 years, and it's pretty much always been that way when it comes to end-game content. What magical land do you people live in, where selfishness and greed aren't predominant traits of humanity?

[Alerith]

No one is preventing RME owners from keeping their weapons. Even if they were nerfed to 1 dmg, still, no one is forcing anyone to toss their weapons. As it stands, though, the only people with access to the new weapons are those with the old weapons, at multiple angles of approach. Judging by people's track record with pretty much anything difficult in this game, I don't see very many people turning around after getting through the new content and saying "Hey guys, let me spend some time to help you through it too." No, they're going to immediately go to the next stuff and proceed with acting like douche-bags. 'Well, I could help you out now, but that sounds like a lot of work... and I need all this stuff for myself...'

There are a lot of people in here who seem appalled by the notion that people simply take and swindle their way to the top in this game. I've played this game for 10 years, and it's pretty much always been that way when it comes to end-game content. What magical land do you people live in, where selfishness and greed aren't predominant traits of humanity?

To summarize nearly all of RushLynx's posts to save some of you some time:

"Waaaah waaaah, the people I chose to hang around treated me like shit. Therefore, everyone else should suffer now because my past experiences have tainted any visions of civility in this game. Greed and selfishness! This is the way of the world! How can you not agree with me? Clearly I'm right! I've been wronged! All those who chose to spend their time with friends in the past must suffer now! There's evil afoot! EVIL!"




There is an intelligent way to make this argument, and Rush is doing it wrong.

[RushLynx]

Therefore, everyone else should suffer now because my past experiences have tainted any visions of civility in this game.

Yeah, clearly I think you should suffer... and by suffer I mean your item should remain the exact same item it was when you earned it instead of constantly being remedied to compete in new content while the rest of us have to replace our gear.

Suggesting that you shouldn't automatically start every update with an unfair advantage over the rest of us is CLEARLY consistent with suggesting that you should suffer...

You know what, here's a solution to this that supersedes my fears. Make a new tier of magian trials for these weapons, but make the trials hundreds of kills on each new NM. That way the rest of us will have an opportunity to take part in the new content and get relevant weapons and gear while these guys continue upgrading their precious toys.

I suspect the prospect will be mute after a while anyways when they inevitably obtain the new weapons while doing the trials and opt for using those instead of continuing the upgrade in the first place. Meanwhile the damage on the new weapons will give the rest of us a place in the alliance because it will no longer seem necessary to require everyone to have an RME, there will be plenty of damage without.

(Incoming a hundred people whining that this would be too much and threatening to quit if they don't get their way. They're so hardcore, after all, and they're willing to put in so much more time and effort than the rest of us on what REALLY matters, themselves.)

[Alerith]

Yeah, clearly I think you should suffer... and by suffer I mean your item should remain the exact same item it was when you earned it instead of constantly being remedied to compete in new content while the rest of us have to replace our gear.

Suggesting that you shouldn't automatically start every update with an unfair advantage over the rest of us is CLEARLY consistent with suggesting that you should suffer...

Before I respond, I really and honestly need to know...

Are you serious?

[FrankReynolds]

No one is preventing RME owners from keeping their weapons. Even if they were nerfed to 1 dmg, still, no one is forcing anyone to toss their weapons. As it stands, though, the only people with access to the new weapons are those with the old weapons, at multiple angles of approach.

Thi sisn't true, but assuming it was... why would you care? You either don't have an RME. In which case this will not affect you one way or the other. Or, you do have an RME, in which case a bump would benefit you.

In reality, you don't need a 99 RME to get the delve weapons though, so you're whole premise is shot.

Judging by people's track record with pretty much anything difficult in this game, I don't see very many people turning around after getting through the new content and saying "Hey guys, let me spend some time to help you through it too." No, they're going to immediately go to the next stuff and proceed with acting like douche-bags. 'Well, I could help you out now, but that sounds like a lot of work... and I need all this stuff for myself...'

That is why you make delve part of the upgrade process. So that people have a reason to keep doing it. Just like they did with HMPs and riftdross etc. in VW. Hopefully they would do a better job of it this time though (not holding my breathe).

There are a lot of people in here who seem appalled by the notion that people simply take and swindle their way to the top in this game. I've played this game for 10 years, and it's pretty much always been that way when it comes to end-game content. What magical land do you people live in, where selfishness and greed aren't predominant traits of humanity?

They are. They always will be. That has nothing to do with you not having a RME though. That only takes 1-3 people. Even the loudest idiot racist shouting slurs and "Yo Momma" jokes in port jeuno has that many friends. Knock off the sad face crap. Nothing but legion has required an ls since like what? 2010?

You keep saying that the weapons haven't changed and are still exactly the same weapons that we worked so hard for. Okay. The $6/hr that I made washing dishes when I was 16 years old is still the same $6 too.. But if my boss tries giving me that now, I'll punch him so hard he'll wake up back in 1990.

I don't know who touched you in the naughty spot, but life really isn't that full of bad men. Get over it.