Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[Malphius]

Last line of the post you quoted in your post.

Looked like you were replying to that part, in which case, you were claiming it was balanced.

The fact you are using Abyssea as an example of why SMN should be ok anyways is stupid in and of itself as Abyssea is irrelevant in this matter. The content is stupid easy, it has been for a long time, there is no reason why this should be an excuse for SMN to be nerfed in this content.

Wanna know what though, your whining, acting like SMN is some mega OP job which is stealing your ability to do anything, guess what, the job has few real uses. Uses, not abuses, people abused it in things like Odin and Legion, using it for only a single ability and nothing more, after which they used it for another ability which is not as good as its primary use, or other jobs performing the same action. Another event this job has use in is WoE, Walk of Echoes is another area which follows these same rules even. It has mobs which have Alliance hate, same as here, it allows BPs to hit everyone in or out of Alliance, same as here, its fairly similar, and guess what, its fine, because it works!

I was very specific when I said abyssea solo. Don't see how that could be misconstrued.

I didn't say SMN should be nerfed. I've never said that. Again the SMN community putting words in my mouth. I said the event needs adjusting. The result is SMN loses an ability it can't use anywhere else in the game.

I can't talk about Abyssea but you can talk about WoE? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

People still use SMN and PD in Odin and Legion. Present day. Not abused at all. If you don't do these events that's your fault. I've saw huge offensive BP numbers in Legion. Maybe it's the players not the job?

How many SMN's do you see in WoE btw? Hoards. You're helping me here as that part of my position has been that this is a tactic you will start seeing more and more as this expansion goes on.

[Demon6324236]

I was very specific when I said abyssea solo. Don't see how that could be misconstrued.

Because Abyssea is stupid easy and irrelevant content in the grand scheme of things when almost every job in there is able to do things far beyond its wildest dreams...

I didn't say SMN should be nerfed. I've never said that. Again the SMN community putting words in my mouth. I said the event needs adjusting. The result is SMN loses an ability it can't use anywhere else in the game.

Exactly, inside of this event its losing an ability from its current status, that sounds like a nerf to me!

I can't talk about Abyssea but you can talk about WoE? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

Because WoE does not have a ton of Atma which make every job overpowered beyond its wildest dreams, yes, WoE is another event just like Reives are, without any of the Atma, Abyssites, or Cruor buffs that Abyssea has.

People still use SMN and PD in Odin and Legion. Present day. Not abused at all. If you don't do these events that's your fault. I've saw huge offensive BP numbers in Legion. Maybe it's the players not the job?

Using PD as a primary use for a job is abuse in and of itself, no different than SCH was abused for Embrava, you brought the job for a single ability, everything else it did was simply a bonus to make the job less useless after that fact. If you want a DD in Legion you do not bring a SMN, you bring a WAR or DRK, the fact they do a few good BPs for damage is simply a bonus which offsets its normal worthlessness.

How many SMN's do you see in WoE btw? Hoards. You're helping me here as that part of my position has been that this is a tactic you will start seeing more and more as this expansion goes on.

Oh no, another event where SMN can actually perform as a job rather than an Invincibility Whore, what will the world do!?

[Malphius]

Because Abyssea is stupid easy and irrelevant content in the grand scheme of things when almost every job in there is able to do things far beyond its wildest dreams...

And SMN isn't? My point though was that WoE is also out dated. I do agree that WoE is more difficult. However when looking at the ability SMN have there it's not as big of a deal as the goal is to defeat the boss and you are rewarded with treasure. The reward from reives is points based upon creating large numbers in terms of cure or damage done. The ability in this event excludes an entire class from obtaining those rewards.

Exactly, inside of this event its losing an ability from its current status, that sounds like a nerf to me!

Nah just putting it on the same playing field as all the other mages.

Exactly, inside of this event its losing an ability from its current status, that sounds like a nerf to me!

SMN is more like SCH than a DD. I used to main SCH all the time till they changed embrava. But before hand I was perfectly happy with being used for Embrava and then spot curing or baby sitting the PLD. Like me the SMN's use PD and then spot cure and/or use offensive BP's on the NM's. Same thing in Odin. Why is this so different? What roll is it that the SMN community wants to fill?

Oh no, another event where SMN can actually perform as a job rather than an Invincibility Whore, what will the world do!?

Again plese tell me what event SMN is not welcome in. I can't think of one. I'm sorry you're not happy with one of the most powerful and most needed 2hrs in the game. That has nothing to do with this topic though which is that an entire job class is going to be pushed out of Reives and the only thing that SMN's can say is that they deserve to because they don't like playing SMN.

[RAIST]

Nah just putting it on the same playing field as all the other mages.

Actually, no. It lowers their potential in a major way. The other mages have considerably more options for increasing rewards in comparison. That seems to be a very important point that keeps getting missed.

[Demon6324236]

That has nothing to do with this topic though which is that an entire job class is going to be pushed out of Reives and the only thing that SMN's can say is that they deserve to because they don't like playing SMN.

You cant come to an event because another job is taking your place? Level another job... It may not be SMN but guess what, I main RDM, I play it a ton when I can, but I get excluded from almost every event in the game. Your whining about not getting to get a lot of points in a single event insults me honestly, because my situation is much worse than yours is, yet you have to argue with everyone who disagrees for hours about how SMN is broken.

Simple truth incoming! You can deal without going in Reives and getting a ton of points, if you go on WHM and know it gets low points then you instantly chose to subject yourself to that sub-par point gain. The easiest solution to that problem is leveling another job, or dealing with the low points you chose anyways, end of story.

[RAIST]

You cant come to an event because another job is taking your place? Level another job... It may not be SMN but guess what, I main RDM, I play it a ton when I can, but I get excluded from almost every event in the game. Your whining about not getting to get a lot of points in a single event insults me honestly, because my situation is much worse than yours is, yet you have to argue with everyone who disagrees for hours about how SMN is broken.

Simple truth incoming! You can deal without going in Reives and getting a ton of points, if you go on WHM and know it gets low points then you instantly chose to subject yourself to that sub-par point gain. The easiest solution to that problem is leveling another job, or dealing with the low points you chose anyways, end of story.

or <gasp> try something different...whatever that may be.

Very few things are "written in stone" with this game. You can usually find different ways to approach a problem within the game's framework, just sometimes takes a little more effort or planning is all.

[Metalgod]

Anyone try gearing whm/sam for Cataclysm spammage???

I actually see no reason to nerf smn in colonization reives. They benefit the group by powercuring and aoe buffing the masses. I went and did SMN/WHM and WAR/SAM tonite and saw no real difference in my SMN getting bayld and my other character on war spamming fell cleave and fury.

[Caketime]

Anyone try gearing whm/sam for Cataclysm spammage???

Yes. It's awesome.

[Malphius]

You cant come to an event because another job is taking your place? Level another job... It may not be SMN but guess what, I main RDM, I play it a ton when I can, but I get excluded from almost every event in the game. Your whining about not getting to get a lot of points in a single event insults me honestly, because my situation is much worse than yours is, yet you have to argue with everyone who disagrees for hours about how SMN is broken.

Simple truth incoming! You can deal without going in Reives and getting a ton of points, if you go on WHM and know it gets low points then you instantly chose to subject yourself to that sub-par point gain. The easiest solution to that problem is leveling another job, or dealing with the low points you chose anyways, end of story.

How is your situation worse than mine? You chose to level jobs you don't enjoy playing or only enjoy playing as long as you can choose the roll they should play. I'm also sorry you can't always go on the job you want to. Life is hard. Perfect reasoning for why SMN deserves special treatment in this event.

Thank you for imparting me with the "Simple truth". Once again for the 100th time I never brought WHM into this. Other people did to which I then said I said I come on a multitude of jobs some of them being mage jobs such as SCH and WHM. It depends on what I see before I go out there. After I get there however I can't control what else comes after that.

Simple Truth(TM), you are self centered and greedy just like a few of the other people that have chosen to say they deserve special treatment (at the expense of others) and that everyone else that doesn't like it can gtfo.

[RAIST]

Once again for the 100th time I never brought WHM into this. Other people did to which I then said I said I come on a multitude of jobs some of them being mage jobs such as SCH and WHM.

wait... what?

Original Post:

So I was doing Colonization Reives in Morimar Basalt Fields today. I was on WHM having a great time healing my party, buffing, doing my job, etc... when out of no where come 4 summoners and that's when things went down hill.

Because Summoner BP's seem to have no boundaries in terms of party/alliance they are going to completely rain down epic fails on the point gains of other support class jobs. I went from 500~700 Bayld per tally to 100 if lucky because all 4 Summoners were spamming BP's. That was with my trying to spam curaga to keep up.

BP's in Reives needs limited to party only or this is going to become PLD + SMN + DD only event.

Sure sounds like this thread basically exists because some summoners reduced your rewards from curing on WHM.

I'd imagine that's probably why it keeps coming back up. Or am I missing some hidden message? Do I need to make a Super Secret Spy Decoder?