Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[Malphius]

"who said anything about leaving reive???? you sure you have done reive in Morimar Basalt Fields???? You can if you get to the reive before it start, you can just walk over the walkway/bridge to be on the 'other side' of the reive."

When you're doing reives you are usually following a group. It's really the only effective way to do it. Hit one move on to the next with the rest of the group etc... Most reives are started before you get to them or as you approach them by other players.

*edit* You also have no idea when just arriving to a reive before others, what side they will go to.

[Dreamin]

What would you be solo'ing in Abyssea for? exp? if not for +1/+2 (or maybe the KI or item drop). all these these minus the exp gets you better chance if you were able to proc then when you dont proc. Sure, SMN can solo a ton of NMs in abyssea but without proc'ing, there's no point and it just becomes a waste of time (any abyssea farming without proc really is a waste of time for the most part).

[Malphius]

What would you be solo'ing in Abyssea for? exp? if not for +1/+2 (or maybe the KI or item drop). all these these minus the exp gets you better chance if you were able to proc then when you dont proc. Sure, SMN can solo a ton of NMs in abyssea but without proc'ing, there's no point and it just becomes a waste of time (any abyssea farming without proc really is a waste of time for the most part).

Good for low man. Tag a NM with THF for the empy items. I've seen plenty of ppl do it that way while building their empy's.

[Dreamin]

So pick a side if you're not sure which one they going to go onto but normally once ppl get to a reive and if it hasn' started yet, some ppl will automatically go to the other side while some would just wait on the side that they went from. for example, on Ragnarok at least, typically ppl do a counter-clockwise move from 1 reive to the next thoughout the zone. what this mean is that most o the people would just naturally stay on the "left" side with the "right side" being with lesser number of people.

[RAIST]

Then please come out and say it, that SMN should have an unfair game mechanic working in their favor and that other support class jobs should just gtfo or lolmelee.

It's not unfair if it balances out the playing field.

Again, without this mechanic, SMN is virtually useless in reives for gaining XP/Bayld.

And I never said the need to GTFO or lolmelee... and by the way, a decently geared WHM is not exactly lolmelee. Granted, 1k+ hexa's pale in comparison to a 3k+ Shoha.... but considering you're using a toothpick and not a big sword, it's pretty impressive for a mage to pull off.

The point is, you can change your approach. How did Einstein put it? Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You can switch up your playstyle and melee if you want. You can move to the other side. You can stop following that herd and go to another reive that's not so heavy with SMN's.

It's also not too far fetched to apply your logic to other compa\onents....PLD has an unfair advantage in lair reives and needs to be changed....BRD, SMN, RDM, and BLM shouldn't be able to keep all the mobs slept off to the side of a palm tree while everyone beats on it because people can't get any good xp off the reive.

Do you see the slope yet?

SMN is not "broken" on this event. If anything, it's more a blessing because it allows others to participate in a way that might not otherwise happen. For instance, there might not be anyone fighting the mobs--they could ust sleep everything, beat down the obstruction, ending it with virtually no rewards given at all. BECAUSE SMN can sustain the fighters like it does, it is able to be extended so everyone gets rewarded more in the long run because they are able to achieve various gols that would not be possible without people actually fighting the monsters.

[Dreamin]

Good for low man. Tag a NM with THF for the empy items. I've seen plenty of ppl do it that way while building their empy's.

thought you said SMN solo??? where's the THF coming from if you're solo'ing? Or you only mean solo kill while a THF run around tagging? You know techically you're really NOT solo'ing.

[Malphius]

So pick a side if you're not sure which one they going to go onto but normally once ppl get to a reive and if it hasn' started yet, some ppl will automatically go to the other side while some would just wait on the side that they went from. for example, on Ragnarok at least, typically ppl do a counter-clockwise move from 1 reive to the next thoughout the zone. what this mean is that most o the people would just naturally stay on the "left" side with the "right side" being with lesser number of people.

Okay so you're still guessing and it again raises my early point which again is that you can't simply switch sides.

[Malphius]

thought you said SMN solo??? where's the THF coming from if you're solo'ing? Or you only mean solo kill while a THF run around tagging? You know techically you're really NOT solo'ing.

You're splitting hairs. THF just tags. Not needed but better drops. SMN can handle it w/o a THF.

[RAIST]

Okay so you're still guessing and it again raises my early point which again is that you can't simply switch sides.

So, you realize that this side of the reives is full of people that are making it hard for you to do what you want to do. Now, make a decision. When the horde moves to the next site, you can opt to get on the other side BEFORE IT STARTS. Or, you could just opt to scrap this group, and roll with a different crowd all-together.

[Dreamin]

Think we're just getting off track here. The point here is this (why so many ppl disagreed why SMN needs to be nerf'ed):

SMN is one of the most forgotten job in the eyes of SE (one can debate about BST and RDM as well but SMN is definitely up there). How many other jobs has something NEW for them that was announced almost 2 years ago and still have no deliverable in sight? How many jobs still relies heavily on a level 72 JA as one of their main source of damage at all??? How many jobs whose main source of usefulness is locked to a timer that is 45s at best.