New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[bryangelos]

Oh? I apologize, it appears I did misunderstand you after all. I took:



As meaning that you were cancelling your account(s). This is my mistake, I apologize for all my previous posts.

i did cancel my accounts after the update in protest of the new direction, and the quote you keep using saying i'm quitting was in response to someone responding to my initial post about my displeasure on the new direction, and out of context as i never just posted "I'm quitting"

[Yinnyth]

Its fine for you to disagree with my stance, however you seem to have a problem with my stance saying my opinion isn't as valued as yours.

Yes, yes, this was my mistake, and I am sorry for it. I read too much into the words you typed and assumed you had cancelled your FFXI account(s), and I was offended that a person who no longer pays for FFXI would suggest changes to it. It is my belief that if you want something to change, the least you can do is help fund those changes. It seems I got a little too hot-headed there, and I am embarassed for my actions, yet glad that you still have (an) active account(s).

Edit: Thank you for the above clarification as to the status of your accounts. Good day, sir.

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The reason i will not get the new items is because i don't know if they will be outdated in a month. I got the weapons i did thinking they would be the best or at least very close to the best. If you read my quote i said if they continue down this path. The path i'm referring to is making all old content obsolete and just new content is worth doing.

I know you might say well i can still do old content, but i didn't do dynamis everyday because i enjoyed it, i did it to get the best weapons. At this time the only content i see worth doing is delve and that is not enough to keep me playing, and like most like to point out, "if you don't like it quit, every MMO outdates all gear" well i thought ff11 had 1 slot they wouldn't and since i was wrong i'm taking the advice of others. I'm quitting.

You are correct, you did not just make one post which said nothing but "I'm quitting." This does not alter the fact that you have pulled all of your support from our cause yet still have the audacity to tell us how to spend our money.

[Tamoa]

I'd say take it to PMs, but unfortunately there's no PM function on this forum.

[Yinnyth]

I'd say take it to PMs, but unfortunately there's no PM function on this forum.

I would have done so long ago because no one in their right mind would read that exchange between the two of us. I really do wish these forums had that function.

[bryangelos]

Yes, yes, this was my mistake, and I am sorry for it. I read too much into the words you typed and assumed you had cancelled your FFXI account(s), and I was offended that a person who no longer pays for FFXI would suggest changes to it. It is my belief that if you want something to change, the least you can do is help fund those changes. It seems I got a little too hot-headed there, and I am embarassed for my actions, yet glad that you still have (an) active account(s).

Edit: Thank you for the above clarification as to the status of your accounts. Good day, sir.

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You are correct, you did not just make one post which said nothing but "I'm quitting." This does not alter the fact that you have pulled all of your support from our cause yet still have the audacity to tell us how to spend our money.

I played this game since 2005 and have an active account for 20+ more days, get outta here with your all mighty stance of only yours matters. I have just as much of a right to say i don't like the direction of the game as you do to say you like the direction of the game. Also give me a break with this our cause and how to spend our money bs unless you work for se.

I'm not going to pay them to do something i disagree with and the only way i know how to show them i don't like it is to post here and cancel my accounts.

[Byrth]

Why that ? Did you try delve a little ? I did some NM with top notch gear and a party of 6 and it raged at 80% (very easy to tank on monk, just too much HP and damage taken -). An army of perle DD would do as good because once it rages you can't do anything. The only reason people are killing mobs right now is that PLDs can hold them easily (DD can't because they can't deal dmg) while all the other DDs in the team so SA ws. It's not skill and doesn't resuire excellent gear by any mean. A player that returns today should farm bayld gear, get a nakkual weapon and go into delve.

This is pretty much true.

[Yinnyth]

I played this game since 2005 and have an active account for 20+ more days, get outta here with your all mighty stance of only yours matters.

My sister and I followed this game since before it was released in Japan. We played it the very day it was released in the US. My accounts remain active, and will be so into the unforseeable future.
But this is not a contest, and my stance is not the only one that matters. Yours also matters. To an extent. The extent to which you're willing to make it matter. With your wallet. Thank you for your support thus far. It has been a large help, and I appreciate that it has gotten us this far and allowed us to see these changes to the world we love. Should you choose to rejoin us, I will gladly welcome you as my equal, nay, my friend.

Until then, you are actively aiding in the destruction of something I care for. I apologize, but it appears you and I must be enemies in this matter.

[Fredjan]

Seems there's a post from Matsui about this today. I'll wait for the official translation, but I can say this much:

The fact these weapons have such higher base damage is absolutely disgusting. I would've been far more ok with progression on these that actually made sense. DMG jumps that are pretty much doubled for some and increased by over 100 for others isn't progression, it's setting a new bar. The armor is great. The weapons are gamebreaking. I'm fine with gear progression, as long as SE considers what people go through to get things. These new Naakual and crafted weapons (and even the lesser rare/ex weapons) don't consider any of that at all.

The only acceptable RME adjustments is a very significant increase in base damage. Make it require stuff from Delve for all we care. Adjusting the WS's will NOT address it, nor will adjusting the other stats. Only base damage. Just make us feel like we didn't waste all our man-hours, gil, etc. put into these weapons (I personally spent around 250 million on Apocalypse 99 and Ragnarok 99, ~100M in marrows alone). As far as I'm concerned, this update is a slap to everyone who did these, and if they DON'T fix these properly, an even bigger outrage will happen. The only reason we haven't gone that far is because we've been promised an adjustment that "might happen." I'm not even faithful that it'll be done right after what I've seen.

At this point, I have to 'force' myself to log on and the only reason I am is that I enjoy doing things with some people and they're still around. I want to believe the new weapons are fake, I really do, but they are actually implemented in the game with those damage ratings, so at this point, it's not a matter of "believing", as the stats on the rare/ex weapons are accurate. It's a matter of SE addressing the outrage they've caused and addressing it properly.

However, unless I read promises of increasing base damage on all of the weapons across the board, they won't be addressing it properly. Period. No matter what you do to let's say Spharai for example, it's never going to be used over a damage+146 H2H without having a very significant DMG increase.

[hiko]

There's that post that makes me lol again!! Tee-hee-hee.

Honestly, I think less people would be table flipping and rage quitting if upgraded R/M/E were in the dats, even if unobtainable. Gives us something solid to look forward to, like "my relic may be obsolete for now, but I see and am happy with what it can one day be."

QFT but less people would rage quiting if nobody datamined the new weapon (until people start getting the new weapon)

One of the other things in game design that kinda upsets me is that the game went from small group content 6 people, and voidwatch which was easily pugable because it wasn't that hard. To this mega extreme you will die unless you have 18 really hardcore people.

and that exactly the opposite that upseted me with abyssea release, going from LS event to lowman/pug

Again, point missed. Many of us just don't feel motivated to do anything right now, in fear that it will be obsolete soon, after all the hard work we put into new gear.

agree IMO some vertical progression is nice but we get it to fast, most haven't tried WK or skirmish and we already get next step, AND the step are TOO big

I don't mind RME not staying TOP weapon until end of time in their curent state, but they should get an upgrade coming soon after every weapon step up (update n=new best weapon, update n+1 =RME upgrade) while we just got two set of new best weapon + "we might upgrade RME sometime "

[Kojo]

Apparently, Matsui is considering letting people unlock Relic and Empy WSs. So basically... Nothing.