New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Zagen]

Let me turn the tables here...I am kinda curious, How would you guys take it if Relics were buffed to go with these new weapons? I.E

Mandau getting DMG:68

Ragnarok getting DMG:188

Would any of these changes make Skirmish Weapons less "Awesome" In your guys eyes even if Relics still outclassed them?

I wouldn't care, even if they were just updated to that damage without doing anything extra. While it means less people overall to possibly do Skirmish with, there's more than enough who play multiple jobs or at the very least would be interested in doing new content for the sake of it being new instead of doing old stuff to build another R/E/M.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I think what it boils down to is R/M/E Systems were fun, long term goals

If they were "fun, long term goals," words like "work" and "sacrifice" wouldn't be thrown around so much in this thread. Don't pretend that getting one is anything but a soul-crushing grind, as befitted their intended role as status symbols.

[Siiri]

I think it would have been fine for these to have been better than 95 r/e/m, to be better than 99 r/e/m if they are is a huge issue for me. SE nerfs twilight scythe in the name of balance, then releases weapons you can get from a short bcnm involving 6 people that are better than weapons people worked years on? I know r/e/m got easier, but farming umbral marrow low man, getting 1500 hmp and 60 dross etc, are nothing to sneeze at. Let's not even mention mythics/

Also, their idea for the drop is to come from a bcnm in which you get the entry items from helm and doing reives and soul pyres? Can you imagine if there was a legendary weapon that obsoleted r/e/m from Wings of the Goddess that was dropped by a bcnm you gained entry to by endlessly doing campaign? Is that even fun to helm and do reives over and over?

One thing I always liked about this game there was a little something for everyone. Like I said, I would be fine if this was an additional option for R/E/M and pulse weapons. Even if it came in at 95 level and there were like 3-6 months of quests, trials, bcnms to advance it to the state that are better than 99 r/e/m. But to release it better???

I am not a game marketer, maybe they feel this is a good idea. I see people coming back, I also see friends who have worked on these weapons logging in less and less already. I am not going to type in all caps and threaten anything, I am sure SE doesn't care. I will probably still play because I play as a relaxation in the evening from work, caring for elderly parents , etc. If it wasn't for my friends in game that we talk to everyone night etc I would probably call it now though.

Well , I would hope SE addresses this more, one way or another. I guess we have to wait for the JP to make enough of a fuss to get more information on what they are thinking.

[Karbuncle]

If they were "fun, long term goals," words like "work" and "sacrifice" wouldn't be thrown around so much in this thread. Don't pretend that getting one is anything but a soul-crushing grind, as befitted their intended role as status symbols.

It was fun getting it when I had friends to do it with, Only became a chore when I had to Solo occasionally. Each person achieved their in their own way. Mine took a lot of work, but work can be fun if you're with the right people.

its not as black and white as you see it.

[Yinnyth]

Also, their idea for the drop is to come from a bcnm in which you get the entry items from helm and doing reives and soul pyres? Can you imagine if there was a legendary weapon that obsoleted r/e/m from Wings of the Goddess that was dropped by a bcnm you gained entry to by endlessly doing campaign? Is that even fun to helm and do reives over and over?

It's no worse than endlessly grinding salvage, dynamis, VW.

Attitude and point of view have a lot to do with what is and isn't "fun". Ever drag someone to a party who really didn't want to be there? The party is no fun for them even though the overwhelming majority of people there are having a good time.

The same thing happens here. If you convince yourself ahead of time that it's not fun, it really doesn't matter how entertaining it actually is because nothing is going to pull you out of that funk.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Each person achieved their in their own way.

Coins for some, giant frozen heads for everyone else.

[Asymptotic]

I have everything for my mythic except alexandrite. I'm only 1/3 done with alexandrite. Still not sweating it.

And yeah, most of my empies are still only 90. Does that completely invalidate my opinion on the topic?

Well , it doesn't invalidate your opinion, but it does hurt your argument.

Complaint: We feel shafted because we feel like the significant investment we made and work we put into making LV99 Relics, Mythics, and Empyreans was for naught.
Response: Well I don't feel like my 90 Empyreans, which are smaller investments by orders of magnitude, were a waste because I got a lot of use out of them.

It's all about the effort - reward ratio. Of course you don't feel shafted on your 90 Empyreans because they required less effort to complete.


People invested in 99 RMEs because they were "safe" investments, no one -with a few exceptions (mostly uninformed or fanatical people) - without capped Tav glitch or cruor gil would blow 200-300+ mil on a subpar weapon just for the sentiment. This is particularly notable in the Vanadiel Census - the harder a weapon class is to obtain, the less likely people are to make "noncompetitive" weapons in that class.

[Asymptotic]

It's no worse than endlessly grinding salvage, dynamis, VW.

Attitude and point of view have a lot to do with what is and isn't "fun". Ever drag someone to a party who really didn't want to be there? The party is no fun for them even though the overwhelming majority of people there are having a good time.

The same thing happens here. If you convince yourself ahead of time that it's not fun, it really doesn't matter how entertaining it actually is because nothing is going to pull you out of that funk.

If you're going to make the argument that the majority of the player base finds endless HELM more entertaining and / or less unpleasant than Dynamis farming ... then I don't know why I've been giving you the assumption of any sort of credibility in the first place.

The only conclusion that I can possibly make from your posts is that the only point of view you're capable of understanding is your own.

[Siiri]

It's no worse than endlessly grinding salvage, dynamis, VW.

Attitude and point of view have a lot to do with what is and isn't "fun". Ever drag someone to a party who really didn't want to be there? The party is no fun for them even though the overwhelming majority of people there are having a good time.

The same thing happens here. If you convince yourself ahead of time that it's not fun, it really doesn't matter how entertaining it actually is because nothing is going to pull you out of that funk.

I would disagree. If i didn't feel like doing dyna I did salvage to sell alex. Likewise I didn't care about heavy metal plates so I could do vw and sell those. Variety is the spice of life or game. Now if these weapons are as broke as people saying, you have one event. I don't think that is cool personally and will detract from game. Also, the drops to enter the bcnm seem to be lucked based at this point. Again, not cool. I prefer a goal I can work towards, not RNG. Why I liked salvage and dyna and even NNI. We plugged away at 80 wins and got all our gear. Took a bit but it was fun.

Lol, someone just said in linkshell they have 100k bayld. Everyone was like wow, that sounds really boring. It is not just me. We are on vent and everyone laughing at the ridiculousness of doing reives all the time. YMMV of course. Just my feelings and those around me.

[Asymptotic]

I would disagree. If i didn't feel like doing dyna I did salvage to sell alex. Likewise I didn't care about heavy metal plates so I could do vw and sell those. Variety is the spice of life or game. Now if these weapons are as broke as people saying, you have one event. I don't think that is cool personally and will detract from game. Also, the drops to enter the bcnm seem to be lucked based at this point. Again, not cool. I prefer a goal I can work towards, not RNG. Why I liked salvage and dyna and even NNI. We plugged away at 80 wins and got all our gear. Took a bit but it was fun.

Lol, someone just said in linkshell they have 100k bayld. Everyone was like wow, that sounds really boring. It is not just me. We are on vent and everyone laughing at the ridiculousness of doing reives all the time. YMMV of course. Just my feelings and those around me.

No! You don't seem to understand how things work! Yinnyth isn't dissatisfied so everything is ship-shape and if you're displeased with it it's just because you have a bad attitude.