New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[detlef]

If you're talking about Carnwenhan that's not really applicable because its song duration effect is unique and is highly unlikely to be replaced by another weapon.

[Karbuncle]

I should have been more clear I didn't mean you thought it was a status symbol to others or over others but one to you yourself. That symbolism will never change no matter what weapon is released.

That's true, Thanks for making it clear. Well, Lets put it this way, I like my accomplishment and While it won't ever truly take that away from me, I can't say i like how it feels to have that accomplishment sh*t on and rubbed in my face. I hope that explains it well, Cause I honestly got no better way to explain it.

While I'll always have the achievement, Theres more reasons to my upsetness, and thats all the time and effort i put into it and it may or may not become a mannequin ornament, when the whole reason I made it was so I could have a solid, permanent investment, which is what R/M/E were, for the longest time :\

I have everything for my mythic except alexandrite. I'm only 1/3 done with alexandrite. Still not sweating it.

And yeah, most of my empies are still only 90. Does that completely invalidate my opinion on the topic?

Doesn't invalidate it, Only that the effort required to take Empyreans to 99 eclipses getting it to 90, so its really hard to compare it to folks who have a 99.

On the other hand, the fact You're pretty much 75% Done with a Mythic and are still like "lulz oh well!", I've made my descision.

you're bonkers
Looney.
Crazy.
nutcake.
insane.
Geoffrey.

No but really I envy your ability to just move on like that, How old are you? I have a feeling when you start to get older you'll be cranky like us.

[Horadrim]

I said it wasn't a status symbol to me, but something I worked hard on and was proud of. it wasn't so others could envy, but so i could feel happy with myself.

Plus, You should really look at the weapons and their augments, It'll answer that question for you... While few of them come out Clear 100% on the top, A lot of them crush the crap out of the 90~95 Empyrean, and even some of their 99 Relic counterparts.

Asymptotic Showed a particular good example of the Dagger that makes me cringe when i see it, and also the same one i said I would be more than happy to obtain. At least go back and make an effort to read my posts, I'm getting bored of speaking in circles about how I'm actually not disappointed in this so much as I am sad for my Mandau and the work i put into it.

I can understand and appreciate this -- and I feel people who put in that work should be compensated for it.

I just don't know that keeping those weapons as the pent-ultimate is how it should be handled. I'd prefer if the lv.99 EXP/Merit/Advancement system incorporate them and allow you to have them as equippable traits or something, so that any weapon you use benefits somehow from the fact you finished your Mandau.

Something like that would not only set RME wielders apart from those who didn't bother with them, but gives us ALL reasons to go back and get whichever of the three we haven't finished to 99. Keeps both old and new players working on the old content as well as removes the negative emotions attached to the necessary advancement of the game's equipment technology.

EDIT:

With the advent of the "Rune" concept, I'd love to see slots for "Talismen" or "Anywhere you go" Atma-like status you equip like BLU spells but that come from weapons/gear you extra the traits from. Each RME.99 could have its own unique attribute (or collection of attributes) lifted directly from the weapon. (In the case of the Mandau +40 ATK and Afterglow: Poison) as well as letting you permanently learn your RME WS's.

The game needs to respect and reward people who finished these weapons but I just don't see the point in pretending there's anything special about them beyond sentimental value when drunk and on a bet you could finish one in a few weeks if you really wanted to. (I almost unlocked Verethragna i na week, and only stopped because i started working on G.Sword skill pre-RUN)

[Zumi]

I had perfect attendence in my Dynamis linkshell for about 4 years before I was voted to be the sponsor for my gjallarhorn. After becoming sponsor, it took about half a year to finish. 4 and a half years for my gjallarhorn, plus the months it took me to do the level up trials (before Dynamis changes), and the months it took us to farm up enough marrow for all our relics. Let's just round that off and say 5 years of work are in my gjallarhorn.

Duardabla is better overall. Sure, gjallarballads are awesome, but this stupid, pink harp which takes around a month to get to 90, then 2 months of gil farming to complete stomps all over my 5 year investment. I'm ok with that. I'll just have to get myself a pink harp. Easy stuff compared to what I went through before.

Now, I haven't seen any actual reports of someone obtaining these new weapons. Do we know how long it takes to complete one?

The best brds in the game will have, relic horn, empy harp, and mythic dagger. They didn't invalidate your weapon because horn and harp can be used in combination with each other and further enhanced by the mythic dagger.

[Karbuncle]

I think what it boils down to is R/M/E Systems were fun, long term goals with a sense of a singular permanent weapon in a game of ever evolving equipment, some people found this very very interesting, others didn't. Even games like Guild Wars 2 have incorporated this...

Let me turn the tables here...I am kinda curious, How would you guys take it if Relics were buffed to go with these new weapons? I.E

Mandau getting DMG:68

Ragnarok getting DMG:188

Would any of these changes make Skirmish Weapons less "Awesome" In your guys eyes even if Relics still outclassed them? Or does the fact they outclass R/M/E the only thing that interest you in them? Thats the thing I think, the only reason people like this is because they have the potential to beat R/M/E.

Or am I wrong? If R/M/E were buffed to once again be better, Would that invalidate your interest in these weapons? If Relics were still better by ~3-5%, Would you no longer value these weapons amazing potential? I don't think these weapons were intended to completely deface 99R/M/E, Only close the gap so the "Equipment level" wasn't so inbalanced that all people wanted for their shout groups were R/M/E Owners. I just think they overdid it a little and didnt realize how upset a lot of their 99 owners would be.

I think these weapons should take dumps on 95 R/M/E, but 99 Weapons should remain on top by a small %, even if its just 1-3%.

I think this is their overall goal since they only mentioned 99 R/M/E would receive adjustments, and I'm okay with that, mostly cause I'm only in possession of 1 Relic, and I don't care to get anymore... So I llove the idea of my other ~21 Jobs being useful If i can get my hands on these new weapons.

[Yinnyth]

Oh, I'm plenty cranky about a lot of things. My opinion on this topic just happens to differ with the majority's opinion. Does that make me crazy? That's another matter that's dependant on opinion, and since I'm provoking the majority, I wouldn't be shocked if I were labeled as such.

If one of the new weapons were a horn with +10 to songs, I would be less angry about "wasting my time getting a gjallarhorn", and more happy that I get to go achieve a gear upgrade.

[detlef]

Oh, I'm plenty cranky about a lot of things. My opinion on this topic just happens to differ with the majority's opinion. Does that make me crazy? That's another matter that's dependant on opinion, and since I'm provoking the majority, I wouldn't be shocked if I were labeled as such.

If one of the new weapons were a horn with +10 to songs, I would be less angry about "wasting my time getting a gjallarhorn", and more happy that I get to go achieve a gear upgrade.

As you said, most people who went to the trouble of getting a relic would disagree with you. I've had my Ghorn for almost 5 years and there its presence in my inventory is both for stats and for sentimentality. I'd say 80% of the people who helped me get it have moved on. It would pain me greatly if it were replaced by something.

The stats are one thing. It is the best at what it does after all. But really, it's a combination of what it does and what it represents that makes it important to me. So for me, I would definitely not want to toss something like that to the side and go for the next big thing. Rather, I'd like to somehow have the best of both worlds and have the best and most meaningful weapon. Somehow. I'm sure my experience is fairly unique as you see some people crank out weapon after weapon.

Of course, if they did make a new super-ghorn on adderall, I'd sigh and formulate a plan to obtain it. But I don't think it's the best way to go about it.

[Hercule]

Don't worry everyone, SE fix is in coming soon! and it will kick ass!

[Yinnyth]

Wait... what? Did I miss something?

[Hercule]

Wait... what? Did I miss something?

I've made this for fun