New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Jaall]

I agree with them with the fact that I didn't play a lot of my jobs just for the fact that I didn't have a relic on it and therefor not considered "good" especially PLD for example. I actually got called a terrible tank despite doing a good job tanking LB10 and survived for a long time, but the issue was they didn't get a healer and just expected me to full on tank it solo while the bsts worked away at him, which would have had a better chance of working if I had an Ochain or Aegis.

I do support bringing in weapons for people who don't want to be an amazing super player but just want to generally play a job and not be ridiculed for it, but the way to do that is to not outshine the best of the best, only to bring in weapons that are slightly worse but still an option. I see no problem with the original DMG on the weapons because that put them more in line with what I'm saying. Outclassing 95 is a good way to go about it, but outclassing 99 as well... that's just stupid and if they did aim to do that then maybe they should have already buffed the 99 because this sort of mistake at this stage of the game's life-cycle could very easily be catastrophic.

[Fermion]

Lets take an average DD now. They're probably all within 5% of each other (all things being equal). Most DDs are going to be in that 90 empy, 99 Oat GS, 99 TP bonus GK range. Substituting with a 99 R/E will give you, at best, 10-15% more damage than our average DD.

That being said, an alliance with 99 R/E DDs will kill 10-15% faster than average DDs. What the average DDs alliance takes 20 mins to kill, the pimped out 99s will take 17-18 mins to kill. Not a huge difference considering.

My point is, 99 R/E weapons have always been more trophy items than actual game changers. Honestly, I can only think of a few legitimate game changing items, and none of them are DD weapons (shields, instruments, stun staff comes to mind). So while I really do understand the concern of 99 R/E holders, they must also see the big picture and understand that their weapon never really changed their character as much as players made it out to.

This game is, and always was, about gearsets. Having competent gearsets, and using them appropriately makes a MUCH greater overall difference in gameplay than a singular weapon. So, if you have a 99 R/E then you obviously have the resources to have optimized your gearsets as well. The weapon is just the icing on the cake. So don't worry, it's not like the average Joe-Blow is going to be outdamaging you, regardless of what weapon they're using.

[Dantedmc]

If SE didn't want to cause widespread paranoia why didn't they just release the r/m/e updates at the same time as the expansion or at least post notes about the planned r/m/e changes. Just saying we plan to make them not go to waste is not really reassuring.

[Zhronne]

It's funny when you see the leader of a PUG being so obsessed about gear that he demands R/E/M DDs but then he takes an average SAM with average gear only because he has a lv85 Masamune and refuses an excellent SAM with nice gear and a lv99 Kantonotachi.
Because no way that's gonna be better than an 85 Masamune, inorite? w


I think it's this kind of attitude, this kind of axioms that got so spread around the player base that SE wants to destroy or, at least, make so they have a much smaller relevance.

[Fermion]

It's funny when you see the leader of a PUG being so obsessed about gear that he demands R/E/M DDs but then he takes an average SAM with average gear only because he has a lv85 Masamune and refuses an excellent SAM with nice gear and a lv99 Kantonotachi.
Because no way that's gonna be better than an 85 Masamune, inorite? w


I think it's this kind of attitude, this kind of axioms that got so spread around the player base that SE wants to destroy or, at least, make so they have a much smaller relevance.

It's kind of like when you see $5,000 rims and a sports kit on a car with a V-4 engine. It looks great until it gets smoked by a 15 year old tuner.

You're absolutely right, lots of people in-game are taking "looks" over performance.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Because its not going to get better. Every m/r/e holder that pays for the subscription post SOA is to blame for allowing SE to waste your time building r/m/e and then trolling out with the 99 updgrade items, knowing they were going to troll you again with Skirmish. I cant play anymore, I tried, the appetite to play, the desire to finish my long time goals are all gone because Skirmish outdated it ALL. Before SOA I was enjoying alot of the content in the game. Now, instead of enjoying SOA and the other content, it's only Skirmish that matters, instead of being Skirmish plus Dynamis, Abyssea, VW, etc, the events needed to make the other 3 ultimate weapons.

And I can't just switch to the only SOA mode, knowing that it was done to streamline FFXI into what every other MMO is doing, the game was not made like that. It has a history of some balance and that it wasn't like other MMO's, that's why I've been playing not only FFXI for the past five years, but ONLY this game for the past five years. No other game have I played unless there's a server issue being down for more than half a day. I used to be a FPS too!

I got really hooked on 11, but this weapon stuff is the biggest FFXI sobering moment I've had. It's not even about the courage to break my addiction, it just happened, I just can't play the game. I tried to do a quilin VW run and I felt like all those guys in the pt, which took 10x longer to fill than before, didn't know what they were getting themselves into. Like, in 3 months they'll get it, maybe sooner.

I'm not even mad anymore. I'm in a state of shock or disgust, I'm not even sure which, lol. I tried to play another game for the first time in forever and the disc tray won't eject from 360, lmao! I find myself on this very slow and old laptop more often now. Since I've been a long time supporter of FFXI I will continue to be concerned of the direction she takes, reguardless if I subscribe or not.

[Lotto]

My point is, 99 R/E weapons have always been more trophy items than actual game changers. Honestly, I can only think of a few legitimate game changing items, and none of them are DD weapons (shields, instruments, stun staff comes to mind). So while I really do understand the concern of 99 R/E holders, they must also see the big picture and understand that their weapon never really changed their character as much as players made it out to.

You probably don't own one to say that.
Most of the DDs using 85 or even 90 Empyreans are gimps that think that using a weapon with a unique weapon skills make them good, well it's not. While it's not a "game changer" it sure makes a huge difference when you face a tough ennemy. I wouldn't even think about bringing a DD like that to something like Bismarck, PW or Botulus Rex.

I don't mind they release some new weapons but do they have to destroy every relics/mythics/empyreans? This is just a slap in the face to every 99 R/M/E holders.

[Zhronne]

Concerned, aren't you being a bit too hasty about this? I mean SoA hasn't been out not even 2 weeks, many players still have to receive their expansion pack and yet you come to conclusions so fast.

I'm as worried (and annoyed!!!) as anybody else if not more, but while I can't deny my feelings it would be stupid and superficial to judge things so early. It's way too early man! Give it a bit of time.
Then you'll be able to say "I TOLD YOU SO!!1!!1!one" or maybe SE will surprise you and prove you wrong.
Give it time and time will tell

[Jaall]

I'm in exactly the same place as concerned is, and it's not just a case of being hasty towards an expansion being bad or unbalanced, it's just a case of the game completely changing the direction so much that you feel it's not even worth playing. Yes there will be updates to fix it but how will they fix it? It's not the same as Abyssea and doesn't even feel the same game anymore so it was easy to quit. I am actually really happy I got this opportunity to quit though, it's come at a great time in my life because I would have to cut back how much I play anyway, but that doesn't stop me being concerned about the game and coming on here to see what's going on and the fixes SE implement.

I am sure SE will "balance" the game but I just feel this is kinda the end of the FFXI we all love. It's taken a whole new turn and become a different game in my eyes. I played for the older content which was around for years, which is now literally 100% obsolete. Previously you could still do sky gods, augment them and they would be on par or best in slot for some things and now it's all been replaced by SoA. It's great for people who are new to the game but to those of us who like to play events from AU, CoP etc have no other choice but to only focus on SoA and it isn't "that" good. Not good enough to warrant me playing it non stop with no other activities, and yes I can still do salvage etc but what's the point if everything you get from it sucks compared to easy gear you get from SoA? Imo SE have effectively killed 80% of it's game off and considering the place it's in, is suicide.

[Crusader81]

If SE didn't want to cause widespread paranoia why didn't they just release the r/m/e updates at the same time as the expansion or at least post notes about the planned r/m/e changes. Just saying we plan to make them not go to waste is not really reassuring.

This is a lesson they SHOULD have learned at the start of Abyssea, but obviously haven't.