Congratulations on your level??

[Prrsha]

Can't edit post on my phone, but google Uthgard DAoC or EQ progression server for proof that it can be done. There is a niche demand for this that should not be written off.

Yup it could work. I can give you a list of about 30+ old friends (we have a large group on facebook) who would return to FFXI if the leveling rate was fixed. Granted 30 is a small number, but then again, I am just one person. Even if a person were to use a 1 to 1 ratio or say... 1 to .25 per active players... it's a large amount.

Luvbunny is completely right, don't really need Abyssea but that's just content that can be fun for a lot of people. Fun has a very wide definition. While you might find it fun to run around large areas exploring the land, someone else might find it fun in enclosed areas killing all the mobs and dislike exploration. Same goes for pretty much everything in game and reality. Fun can also be found in everything, it's kinda what a games for and the job for SE is to make a game that appeals to everyone or at least everyone in their target market. Being a final fantasy game, and an MMO, they do end up having a fairly large market, players which may come from number crunching MMO's etc and players that like tackling formulae to work out exactly what will happen next and to them that is fun. I think SE do a pretty decent job at making the game fun and granted when they go and produce new content it wont be fun to everyone because of what I said before, fun has a wide definition and is pretty much different for every single person, but they aren't removing old content and you can still make what you want out of the game. You can still find 5 other friends, and go make a lvl 55 exp party in Wajaom for example and it will be exactly the same as it was 6 years ago.

I'd like the idea of a voluntary level cap, so I and others can experience it again. Due to the exp spam, everyone is level 99 now in every job.

[Prrsha]

You Karbuncle and Alhanlem with your 3000+ and 4000+ messages on these forums should really stop to post your opinions on everything that poping here, you always repeat the same thing tirelessly, you're always think you're right on everything and argue with other people that don't think like you as if you were at war, personaly I'm just tired of seeing you and I really think for most of the FFXI community you're just a curse who contribued to slowly kill this game and pull it down.

I agree with some of their logic at times but I really don't like their tact. Going postal at a new or returning player only hurts the existing player base... unless their intent is to cleanse the game of everyone who has an opinion that differs from their own. In my honest opinion I don't think it is their intention but it is have that effect.

The only thing I do miss is the conversations and laughter you had with complete strangers in an old pt. The book burns and aby burns nowadays mostly lack that making it somewhat hard to get to know other players, form lasting friendships and linkshells. I think that is the only thing good about the old leveling days.

The conversations and interactions are the backbone of what makes a MMORPG great or just a dud. This is the heart of a MMORPG. If I don't desire those, I just play one of many single RPGs out in the market, like the Elder scrolls series.

[Luvbunny]

And how would you suggest they fix "the fast race" to lvl 99? Making those people take six month to a year to level just one job - and thats not including fully meriting and all those fancy new WS. That would kill the game fast than you can rejoice. The "fostering skillful" team play seems to be geared toward end game content. Meeble Burrow, Legion and all the Neo-revival events are good example where you need to come up with a strategy. The exp outside abyssea is rather decent, and comparable when you factor in double xp ring and the boost from GoV. A decent party of 6 can level in some areas from 10-30s, move to another areas from 30s-90s without having to move (Crawler Nest, Gusgen is great example), from 60s-80s (Boyahda, Kuftal).

The best action they can and should do is by instituting the new evaluation ways of getting rewards similar to campaign and reive and implement this in Abyssea. You get xp by dealing damage, curing, enfeebling and self buffing, taking damage, and it chains. This will kill the fell cleave party, destroyed all the leechers and afk people, and obliterate lvl 30 trying to key leech. Unless you can contribute, you are not getting much of xp.

[Karbuncle]

unless their intent is to cleanse the game of everyone who has an opinion that differs from their own.

Yes, This is it. You've discovered the Secret of operation Karbahelm.

On a serious note I thank you for the understanding when it comes to this, and that you can see what my intentions are... But i made this post already so darnit I'm posting it.

ANYWHO, I make dozens of posts that are intended to directly aidd new players, or players who just don't know everything they need to know and might really help them... Like countless informative posts, and the most recently the Reive thread... and do help them, so much so i occasionally receive kind words in game about it.

I make a rather Mild post and to some people this means I'm likely sitting behind my desk stroking a bald cat i named Spankwrustler plotting my next devious post to make some new player cut himself and quit FFXI because he had the balls to have a different opinion than me, let alone I've mentioned a dozen times opinions are amazing and i openly insist and encourage people give their opinions, even if that means being shot down, or being debated/Discussed.

Now, While i don't have the cat, i do have my dog every so often, but she just sleeps on my pillow over there.

Anyway, I've also mentioned several times i sometimes make rants generally not directed at any individual but more at the idea, since the idea is usually heard and repeated... For instance, this thread has come up about a million times, SO while i don't hate... whatever the name of the OP is... I do tend feel more passionately about my disagree-alness(thats a word now) with this idea than your average topic.

Honestly, it took me a good 10 minutes trying to type this post to sound entirely more joking and sarcastic rather than forcing and provocative, Since thats the point I'm trying to make. So I'm not attacking you friend. understand ?

Plus, I fking love new players, they're usually the least thickheaded and more open to learning and improving since they're looking for the help... They're like my dream come true.

Either way, I wanna repeat luvBunny's post real quick and say...

And how would you suggest they fix "the fast race" to lvl 99? Making those people take six month to a year to level just one job - and thats not including fully meriting and all those fancy new WS. That would kill the game fast than you can rejoice.

More or less, returning exp to what it used to be wouldn't make smarter higher level players, cause most of them will already be 99, and you can bet not a single new player would stay with this game if it took them ~1month to hit max level, or way more like it did back when... not including merits, etc... They'd quite, as mentioned, faster than you could rejoice.

Now, If SE said "Making a Nostalgia server would be a matter of days in terms of work", I'd be on your side, Cause it would be nice to have you all bundled in one spot... no offense intended... But who would determine which level of Nostalgia should be included? Which updates should they exclude? it would be harder than it sounds lol.

[Luvbunny]

Just toss em all in one nostalgia server. Adjust it so that you only get xp in Abyssea based on your contribution, basically similar to Campaign, Besieged and Reive now. This will solve the leecher, afk, lvl 30 keyers, fell cleave problems that people have been complaining about. They can all have everything, just a minor fix in Abyssea would solve the leveling too fast problem. Because to actually get rewards and contribute, probably a minimum of lvl 75 is needed which will revitalize old camps - let them have a moogle bonus of double exp week lol, so if they choose they can speed up or not. With GoV you can easily make old school party very comparable to Abyssea. I will predict the return of GoV alliance instead of Abyssea. No one wants to take a year or two to reach lvl 99 the old ways. There is also camp congestion to deal with, and traveling to old school camp, which a lot of people rather not deal with. Not to mention the limited availability of tank, unless you want to make mnk, war, thf, sam, drg, blu, dancer and rdm to start tanking as well

[Candi]

Lol, you can read my post and offer crude criticism but you can't type my name which I know you've seen... I see your handle is Karbunkle- not because I agree with you or worship you but because I can read. It's obvious what you thought you did but you aren't as cunning as you think you are. If you can't acknowledge me as a person why acknowledge my thread? Next time you see a thread like this do yourself and the thread starter a favor and act like you can't read then- since you can't seem to control your emotions.

You aren't obligated to put tour stamp on everything here. Do you own the forums? Did you pee on it and think its yours? Does SE pay you to monitor this forums content? I'm sure many people thank you in forum and in game for your help but it appears to have gone to your head. Go on molding those new players you love so much. This thick headed OP isn't a lost sheep.

[Jaall]

So.... are you happy with the recent changes? Does not seem like everyone is thrilled with it - including you. Now you know what it feels like when you no longer able to enjoy the game with the jobs that you love. At least I can still go and play as Rdm or BLu, since the recent changes would favor those combo jobs. Just saying, stop being all so positive - start being critical if you want some changes to be made - maybe not going nerd rage and canceled your subscription hah hah hah.

I quit earlier in the week because of things I don't find fun anymore because of SE's stupid priorities not because of the recent changes. You're being way too critical, that's my issue with you, it's all fair trying to get SE to change a few things here and there but they aren't gonna re-write SoA and make it so that you don't have to hit roots. I personally don't really have a problem with the new expansion, it's just the idiotic attitude of SE that's driven me away and the fact that the game's slowly being run into the ground by it's own company rather than the competition. There are quite a few problems but I think the underlying problem is actually with how much they're just casually forgetting old issues and leaving them be, while using a somewhat cheat-fix which ends up not working and needing more and more fixes. SE should have worked on a proper hate formula rather than just increasing or decreasing cap for example.

Also half the reason I quit is because the reason I played in the first place was because I have a broken leg and have had for a year and a half, and very soon I'll be having surgery to reinforce the bone with metal, meaning I can get back to work and get my life back, so not entirely due to the game. Wasn't nerd rage either, I don't go in a rage when I post on here because seriously it isn't worth it, and anyone who does, that's just a tiny bit sad. I have strong words to say and like a good debate/argument, and if you think that's raging then you should actually see me rage!

And to everyone else, it's only a game. If you can't find most of it fun then why do you play? I know most of you do find it fun but there's no way SE is ever gonna properly listen to the community because if they did they'd be making changes literally every day. Also they've put a lot of work into this game since Abyssea so there's no way they're gonna undo a lot of the changes they've made. Making a separate server is kinda out of the question too seeing as FFXI has so many issues in game that they really need to focus on them than build a whole new server, establish where it is in update terms etc etc. Would be a nice idea to keep people happy but priorities just wont make it happen any time soon, as in the next year at least.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I never said they weren't but when someone forces their opinion on someone and starts judging everyone it becomes insulting and that I don't like at all. People all play for their own reasons and most reasons will be unique. This game is so vast that there are so many reasons to play it, so just accept that some people may even like to be playing in fear. A lot of people in this world absolutely love challenge, and love to get gear, even love to spam horrible content. What might seem horrible to you could be someone else's favourite content. FFXI will always be around but it won't be the same FFXI as we know and love, it will keep changing because when a game's 10 years old, that's what happens for it to survive. I hope you all find happiness in the game, but when you complain about either the game or the player base so much, it comes across as you completely hating it at which point it makes me think, why play at all?

[Luvbunny]

Nah, I am being very critical because they can do better, and have done better, so it's not like they cannot do it. It amazes me how people are so positive and defending crappy content in the hopes that it will get better. They even now admit it that there are a lot of things that did not go as planned, and a lot information not being released in the right way. Glad to hear you are getting better.

[Jaall]

They can do better and are doing better. Has it occurred to you that people are positive because they like this content? Has that actually crossed your mind, the fact that this content might actually be good for some people? There are things wrong with it like hate etc but none of it is to do with the content introduced. We are not asking for reives to become something different, but that just seems to be what you're asking for. You're just jumping on literally anything people complain about and try and make it a million times worse but that's not the way to go about it, and it just looks childish. SE aren't gonna fix their content any faster just cause everyone's always critical about it. If 1 or 2 people quit because of this it wont make much of a difference to SE and not very many people will quit because of this so it doesn't really effect them. People have been complaining very strongly for years and it hasn't got anywhere so instead of going mental over every complaint and escalating it to stupid levels I just say how I feel about it - reives are good content which can be fun when done right (when wrong that's the players fault not SE) however there are a few fixes that need to be made, and as said by SE they are in the process of balancing. The one thing I would happily be critical over is the fact the test server has been completely unused when it really should have been.

[Luvbunny]

Check the threads on reives and pretty much everything that are wrong about the last update, I don't think I am the only person here who is being very critical about this. Stop being a hypocrite, you yourself are hating the recent changes as well. Does SoA has promises? Potentially. But not if they are adopting WoTG methods of creating contents, which as it is now, every signs are pointing in that direction. The "We Love it Cuz it's so different and new" bandwagon crowd will stop salivating once they see not many doing this and progress is slow to a crawl until it just stop dead. Look at Campaign and WoE. No matter how many times they try to revive it, it's dead. And they just going on their merry ways disregarding player feedback on what could make it better.