On Red Mage melee...

[Duelle]

I f you want to make the playerbase fine with it, you'd have to make rdm close to what the best non-2handed job in the game can do

Not really. At the simplest, most basic level it requires adjustments to composure, enspells and access to more weapon skills. None of that will have us wiping the floor with the other DDs.

Another thing to consider is that people are attached to the expectation for heals, refresh and haste because in part they're desperate for those. Desperation and the lack of healing classes in this game had a hand in our being shackled to the back row. That being said, I'm of the opinion the community needs to be weaned off cure/refresh/haste to allow us to start taking up more roles should be choose to. Again, we as players are not enough to bring about such a change, hence why I call on the developers to do something about it.

We're also heavily disadvantaged in terms of gear because while people are capping haste and accuracy with a couple of pieces and thus are able to focus more on attack, double/triple attack and other goodies, we still have to scrape everything we can together just to reach haste cap. We're limited on what we can use to boost accuracy, and that doesn't cover some of the other stats melee value that they have a much easier time getting. It'd be one thing if we were on stuff like Twilight Belt, Epona's Ring, the pink light DD set and so on, but we are not on any of those. Our only sword outside of magians is a sword that drops from a zone boss everyone hates doing. Our "best" gear set is now several echelons below what everyone else can get.

[rog]

Not really. At the simplest, most basic level it requires adjustments to composure, enspells and access to more weapon skills. None of that will have us wiping the floor with the other DDs.

yeah, i doubt that. People don't change their minds of the nonsense they've believed for years easily.

[wildsprite]

yeah, i doubt that. People don't change their minds of the nonsense they've believed for years easily.

yeah I have high doubts the people who have decided RDM shouldnt melee will ever change their minds,
people forget things like the en spells don't give mobs TP either, so I see less RDMs actually use them when they should, killing the mob faster while feeding it less TP is nice

[CapriciousOne]

Well personally I think we have more power than we choose or let the naysayers believe. RDM unite to form there own parties as well as dismantiling those that we are in by not healing and hasting is one way to force about a change but good luck finding people who have the fortitude to accomplish this despite the complaints and curses that will be surely thrown at them for it.

Truthfully, with or without new weapons/ weaponskills/ spells I think SE sees this as hugely a player base problem and thus "outside their jurisdiction" or sorts. In fact even if they finally do give us all that we ask for and even more it is sitll an issue of the community as a whole getting their heads out of their rears to see the world of possibilities.