SoA or any future boxed collections

[Alhanelem]

PlayOnline Viewer & Tetra Master: 183 MB
Final Fantasy XI and Rise of the Zilart: 2.66 GB
Chains of Promathia: 2.00 GB
Treasures of Aht Urhgan: 1.45 GB
Wings of the Goddess: 1.69 GB

Vana'diel Collection 2008: 2.95 GB

I thought before I wrote. I compared my actual install size to the size of the data on the original discs- not to the collection disc.

If the collection disc is smaller in data size than the original discs, then more data must have to be downloaded through the updater. Your math doesn't necessairly indicate overlap- you should check how many files have to be downloaded with the individual installs vs the collection install.

Can please stop being so insulting when you post? People make mistakes. You don't have to stick it in their faces.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

If the collection disc is smaller in data size than the original discs, then more data must have to be downloaded through the updater.

Vana'diel Collection 2008: 2.95 GB

Do you know what the capacity of a DVD is, or are you just trying to sound knowledgeable again?

[Alhanelem]

Do you know what the capacity of a DVD is, or are you just trying to sound knowledgeable again?

The size of a single sided 2 layer DVD under the DVD-9 specification is 7.95 GB (or more accurately GiB). What are you trying to say. (1 side 1 layer DVD-5 is 4.37 GB)

Are you just trying to be an ass again? I guess you didn't read the part about not trying to insult me?

It is is a physical unlikelyhood that there is so much overlap between each individual expansion/game disc that we can condense 8 GB worth of data into 3GB. That's some amazing compression if they really did that, especially considering any DVD specification that could fit the data on the collection disc has plenty room for more data.

As I said before, there is a simple way to determine how much overlap there actually is, and that's by the data downloaded in the update process. But i'm not sure why you even started talking about this in the first place. We already know that a collection disc will be available for the xbox. So if we're talking about disc sizes because SoA should fit onto a collection disc, guess what: it will. But odds are it won't include any of the update data and with good reason: The total actual size of my FFXI install folder is nearly 14GB. Uncompressed it would only fit into a double sided quad layer DVD (or a blu-ray). So offering all data, up to date, on a single disc so no or minimal updating is required afterwards is impractical. They could include more data, and reduce the updating time, but they couldn't include all of it- and it would quickly go out of date anyway.

If not, I concede that really don't have a farking clue what you're talking about or why and I'm not sure how anyone else could either. Because your point, if you have one, is not obvious. This thread is asking for new collection discs/installs to include a fuller amount of the game data so you dont spend several hours updating- at least, that's what I gather from the original post. My understanding is you're trying to support the OP's argument. Hopefully, my feeble mind at least understands that part?

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

The size of a single sided 2 layer DVD under the DVD-9 specification is 7.95 GB (or more accurately GiB). What are you trying to say. (1 side 1 layer DVD-5 is 4.37 GB)

Very good! Now, care to explain why you believe that S-E would both pay to ship DVD's that are (at least) half-empty and pay for the bandwidth to upload thousands of copies of the information that could have been pressed onto said half-empty DVD's? If nobody else, I'm sure S-E's shareholders would be very interested in what can only be described as a gross mismanagement of corporate funds.

Are you just trying to be an ass again? I guess you didn't read the part about not trying to insult me?

Allow me to explain with your own words:

Because, people don't get it, and I'm making an apparently futile effort to help them get it?

It is is a physical unlikelyhood that there is so much overlap between each individual expansion/game disc that we can condense 8 GB worth of data into 3GB.

Unless, of course, much of the information contained on each of the discs applies to older content or is otherwise redundant. Y'know, overlap.

Otherwise, S-E could spend about 2 yen more per unit to press dual-layerd PS2 DVDs and call it a day instead of ZOMG bandwidth costs.

As I said before, there is a simple way to determine how much overlap there actually is, and that's by the data downloaded in the update process.

So simple that you haven't tried it yet? C'mon, this is your big opportunity to put me in my place and maybe get me to shut up!

1. Back up your macros and settings.
2. Uninstall the game.
3. Take note of data sizes:
   • on the install media
   • after a fresh install, but before updating
   • after updating
4. post your results, for science!

But i'm not sure why you even started talking about this in the first place.

Face it whenever you guys dislike it or not, the installers from the "Collection" versions only have half of the game data and you have NO CHOICE but download the other half of the game from POL using the update function.

This thread is asking for new collection discs/installs to include a fuller amount of the game data so you dont spend several hours updating

1. And then someone responded saying it wasn't possible for the entire game to fit on a single disc, because the '06 collection disc and the WotG disc don't add up.
2. And then I pointed out that all the original (PS2 NA) discs add up to considerably more than the '08 collection, with lots of room to spare.
3. And then you came in with your precocious little routine of trying to sound like you know what you're talking about, failing to do basic math in the process.
4. And then I pointed out the absolute fiscal irresponsibility of your conjecture.

And here we are! Wasn't that fun?