[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments

[Rambus]

Childish, immature posts insulting me aren't mad?

I stopped upgrading my Aegis due to PLD becoming redundant. If I'd have finished my Aegis, yeah, I'd be raging, but only because I'd never get a chance to use it.

Instead, I sold my currency, made some nice money, and spent my time upgrading numerous Empyreans for me and my LS.

The irony of your post is the fact you're wanting a relic upgrade when Mandau is better than Twashtar!



By that logic, there should never be vertical progression in a game. Ever. :/

Also, been playing since EU release.

Yeah I am going off a guess and saying people that ague against relics and mythics are new players ( you are new compared to me).Like I said till abyssea came out SE never REPLASED gear, 90% of the gear was more bridging the have and have not's. That is why content never got replaced and that is why FFXI had so much to do. I think the older players want that returned I am sure a lot of us are burned out on abyssea only. Even now a lot of older gear even AF and AF+1 are still used for macros. I dought SE will ever truly replace gear.
Also remember I was just talking getting relics or mythics, they still have their own trails to do as well, so the time investment is way more for relics and mythics then emps ever be.

IF SE was going to make them trash they should never had trails for them.

for the relic armor comments, waiting for loldrops is not hard and relic gear are still used in macros. meaning YES there are times AF, AF+1, relic, relic+1 better then emp +2 armor.

if you are going to compare getting armor and getting weapons on the same view point, i guess changing weapons should not loose tp

[Cream_Soda]

Comparing relic gear to relic weapon really now, almost as bad as that one guy who tried to compare them to leveling a job lol.

It has nothing to do with relic gear to relic weapon directly, it was to show that time invested doesn't always = better. I could use non relic gear examples if you preferred, but it'd be the same outcome in the end.

[Rambus]

It has nothing to do with relic gear to relic weapon directly, it was to show that time invested doesn't always = better. I could use non relic gear examples if you preferred, but it'd be the same outcome in the end.

and new= doesn't always better.

we can go on all night with logic like this

[Vinceroth]

SE has not increased the lvl cap to 99 yet, so until then people complaining about the numbers on gear that has not been increased to 99 is pointless. for all we know when the lvl 99 cap comes out relic/mythic/empy weapons will all have their own benefits and drawbacks, relic could have great WS's, mythic awsome aftermath, and empy the occ double dmg...

[Cream_Soda]

and new= doesn't always better.

we can go on all night with logic like this

You're 100% right. It doesn't always = better. I can think of many examples that back your statement up.

However "doesn't always" doesn't = never. Emps can be better than relics and still fit your model perfectly, as long as there are newer items that aren't better than some of the older items, your statement still holds true (which is a statement I was never trying to say was wrong to begin with).

[Michaeluk]

It has nothing to do with relic gear to relic weapon directly, it was to show that time invested doesn't always = better. I could use non relic gear examples if you preferred, but it'd be the same outcome in the end.

Didn't se say they are boosting old gear via synergy and other means to be comparable to af3+2 with hq results funny that even with our relic trials were not on par we are miles behind.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You're 100% right. It doesn't always = better. I can think of many examples that back your statement up.

However "doesn't always" doesn't = never. Emps can be better than relics and still fit your model perfectly, as long as there are newer items that aren't better than some of the older items, your statement still holds true (which is a statement I was never trying to say was wrong to begin with).

And then after you spent a lot of time completeing your empyrean and we reach the 99 cap, I supposed that you'll complain that your empyrean weapon needs to be better then what ever then new weapon is?

[Cream_Soda]

And then after you spent a lot of time completeing your empyrean and we reach the 99 cap, I supposed that you'll complain that your empyrean weapon needs to be better then what ever then new weapon is?

I spent a longer time getting a single piece of usukane than I ever did on completing my emp.

I was one of those people 0/150+ on usu body alone.

I was more than happy to swap out of usu when something better came along, wasn't bitter a single bit. What makes think I'd be mad if they made something better than my emp?

Didn't se say they are boosting old gear via synergy and other means to be comparable to af3+2 with hq results funny that even with our relic trials were not on par we are miles behind.

and relics/mythics were boosted last update and will most likely continue to be boosted. If you think emps are going to be miles ahead at 99, you're crazy. That being said, there is 0 reason they deserve to be absolute best like "oh hey I got a reilc, crown me".

I believe that some relics will be better than some mythics and emps.

Some mythics will be better than some relics and emps.

Some Emps will be better than some relics and mythics.

I don't think relics just auto deserve to be crowned as 100% undisputed king, however. (same goes w/ mythics and emps)

[Rambus]

regarding a comment about vertical progress, I made a picture to show my point
how I feel about wow:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9...rograss.th.jpg

there is a consisnt progress of level cap up and getting new gear. those updates are a lot shorter time span then FFXI ( level 75 for 7 years)

even though there has been newer content with newer gear, in most cases they did not replace old gear, so you have a flat line of progress but not a flat line of content. SE gave us more to do without replacing old contant so you have that flat line.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6281/abyssea.jpg
then you get to abyssea and now it is just abyssea only, that concpet causes a lot of problms and this relic and mythic issue is one of them.

also one last thing, this is more then relics vs emps, mythics a LOT of mythics need to be better then common weapons. A lot of mythics are horrible and need to be changes

[Cream_Soda]

I'm not following too well. You trying to say that emps should take years to get? lol