[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments

[Rambus]

Old. New. Done.

must be new player.....

new =/= better .....

in FFXI new gear ment more macro gear or bridging have and have nots, in 7 years before the cap 80 there was never gear replacment.

please understand this

[Tsukino_Kaji]

must be new player.....

Wrong again. I'm just more excepting of change obviously.
And they relased all kinds of new and better bear before the 80cap. Everyone expansion added something.

[Cream_Soda]

explain why relic are the highest D but underperform emps because of WS.

Because I can, like with PW staff, ZNM t4 staff and other weapons like that SE does thow RANDOM things on weapons / gear and hope it works. emps outdoing relics is most likey a mistake since magin trails have one consisnt

relics have the TOP D

Higher DMG doesn't always equal better.

Delay and additional stats have always played a major role.

Are you basing your argument as "Relics have higher DMG so they should be the best?"

[InfamousDS]

Wrong again. I'm just more excepting of change obviously.
And they relased all kinds of new and better bear before the 80cap. Everyone expansion added something.

And yet nothing destroyed the game as a whole. Funny how it worked until now. It can't be that you can have the best weapon and a capped job in less than a month.

[Cream_Soda]

And yet nothing destroyed the game as a whole. Funny how it worked until now. It can't be that you can have the best weapon and a capped job in less than a month.

So would you be happy if emps just amounted to farming a lot of gil to pay for some sort of upgrade item to go w/ the trials?

Cause that's basically what a relic is. As far as all of the non gil work that goes into making a relic, it's not something that takes an incredible amount of time.


Mythics are the only thing that takes a huge amount of time aside from their gil.

[Dakotacj]

must be new player.....

new =/= better .....

in FFXI new gear ment more macro gear or bridging have and have nots, in 7 years before the cap 80 there was never gear replacment.

please understand this

We understand very well. Some gear is still great. Some relic weapons could use a boost. However what's going on here, is you're bawwing and crying about how whatever weapon you spent AGES getting (apparently a Yoichi from your sig), is being outclassed on what, weaponskill damage and overall parsing? I have some news for you friend: in most cases, it's not the weapon that's failing, its the person using it. Yes, Empyreans are far quicker to get. However, most Emp users I've seen in action completely fail. Most Relic users I've seen completely fail. I've only seen one Mythic in action, and that was a badass DRG with Ryunohige and he was a freaking beast with it. You've gone on for the past several pages and hours about how there is 0 balance between Empyrean, Mythic and Relic weapons. In your mind, because Square-Enix said so, the Tiers would go Relic >> Mythic >> Empyrean. Now, when has anything we interpreted from SE come out exactly as we interpreted? Not often. There IS a balance of weapons among the jobs, you just have to pull your head out of your arse and look closer. As cream soda said, some Emps are better than some Mythics and Relics. Some Relics better than some Mythics and Emps, and some Mythics better than some Relics and Emps. In your case of butthurt, yes I can see how you're so upset over your Relic being upstaged after 5 years of work. Namas Arrow is complete fail for damage, the best thing it's for is the Aftermath. Gendiva beats Yoichi as far as WS DMG and Aftermath is concerned. Yoichi can still have it's strong points, but you're too busy bawwing about its weak points. The fact you go on about "gear not getting replaced" says it all. You're not replacing your gear, so your Relic DMG is falling far behind.

The point of this is: Stop whining about it. If it's really bugging you that bad, try different gear setups, or heck, go make an Empyrean then. Stop crying to us and do some actual research.

[InfamousDS]

So would you be happy if emps just amounted to farming a lot of gil to pay for some sort of upgrade item to go w/ the trials?

Cause that's basically what a relic is. As far as all of the non gil work that goes into making a relic, it's not something that takes an incredible amount of time.

I don't pay to be spoonfed equipment. There are more than enough free MMOs that can do that for me. Relics take MINIMUM 1month, 1week, and 1day if you completely exclude gil acquisition. That's 5x the amount of time for an Emp. There is a clear difference. Including Gil adds anywhere from 1 day (RMT) to a few Months (if you have a reliable supply) to a few years (if you spend time actually playing and not grinding gil). I'm siding with relic because relic requires being a real player, not a gear-whore or an abyssea-spammer.

[Rambus]

Wrong again. I'm just more excepting of change obviously.
And they relased all kinds of new and better bear before the 80cap. Everyone expansion added something.

Like what?

HQ staffs, Mahatma Houppelande Set, HQ staffs, AF, AF+1, relic, relic +1 never really got replaced till abyssea. A lot of gear I just listed can still be used in macros though. HQ staffs can still match up to magin staffs when under potency atma, you thnik that is intended? salavage gear did not even replace a lot of gear for a lot of jobs, take the morri set, a MIX set still could be out perfromed with some gear that came out in 2003/2004. That mini expand hat made those situations larger for the mix set of winning.

Higher DMG doesn't always equal better.

Delay and additional stats have always played a major role.

Are you basing your argument as "Relics have higher DMG so they should be the best?"

No, but there is a reason SE made relics such high D in trials no? don't it seem that was an attempt to work around the things you just listed and trying to make them better then emps?

Like i said before the way SE has some stats on gear it seems random stats are thown on them and hope it works, that never gets tested so we tell them why it does not work as it should.

goign with new should be bettr why didn't PW staff outdo ele staffs? or mythic? because SE does not know how to, they just thow a random MAB on a weapon and hope it does outdo them.

I am not crying Dakotacj, i am trying to understand why people feel the need relics should be left in the past in the name of progress.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Don't worry, once the servers are back up none of us will be here and you can spend the time making it look like you have a good point about increasing the power of out dated relics uncontested.

[Rambus]

Don't worry, once the servers are back up none of us will be here and you can spend the time making it look like you have a good point about increasing the power of out dated relics uncontested.

Be nice if you answered my question, what new gear came out that replaced old?, before abyssea.