[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Problem: While adventurers are enjoying abyssea and treasures attained including the mighty empyrean weapons, balance between these new weapons and the previous top tier weapons introduced(relics & mythics) are being ignored.

This is like saying there needs to be a balance between an onion sword and excalbur.

[Rambus]

Dual/Tri-boxing =/= Soloing. If you can box Empyreans, you can box Dynamis.

While you can solo certain mobs without any major issue these days (Briareus and Cirein-Croin come to mind specifically, POSSIBLY Sobek if you're lucky), I would love to see you solo Carabosse, Bukhis, Glavoid and numerous other Empyrean NMs without a second character.

Dynamis can be lowmanned easily. Dynamis 2.0 is probably going to make it several times easier.

Money isn't hard to get unless you're stupid. Have you even seen the amount of money people will pay for stupid things like Ironclad drops and Catarae kills now, as well as HNM drops back in the day?

Anethia put it by far the best way. You can continue sitting around crying for your updates. An easy, cheap and low risk alternative is sitting right on your lap and you're turning your nose up at it. The only reason I can even fathom people getting upset over this is pride. You spent time getting your awesome weapon, but now there's something better.

I spent 2 years and 20 million Gil in Salvage to get my full Usukane set and Empyrean armour slaps all that work in the face. Does that mean I'm automatically entitled to Salvage upgrades and get to whine when they won't be on par with AF3+2? Of course not, I just set myself new goals to improve my character!

No i mean solo, you can brew anything you want, you can brew any emp NM and take it down with one brew.

for 75>80 have exp pt, solo farm KI, or solo kill normal mob and get KI. use brew to kill NM if needed, some job can solo 75>80 NM and solo the KI NM too, depending on the emp

80>85 is a bit more tricky but common to get groups that want +2 gear. If needed you can solo farm KI and brew NM. You can collect KI tell people you can lot xxx but the emp items are mine to save brewing. Collecting any emp KI is soloable from what I seen. Maybe there is a few that is very hard solo I do not know.

85>90, same as 80>85

you can really speed it up having 2 to 4 people each doign a weapon but the 85>90 will still need to be brewed.

I would LOVE to see 4 people clear dyna at 90 and not only that pop and kill paper NM, and pop and kill shard NM.

mythic? you really think 1-4 people can kill those NMs?

you spending 2 years on salvage gear is your fault , it did not take much thought to know those drop rates where too poor to deal with.

I never did salvage hard core, the drop rates made me mad, I helped others though, Once i made a pact in saying I get no drop for alex.

besides salvage armor =/= relic weapons. you your self said 20 mil for subpar armor ( i really dont understand why you would go for more then feet) most of salvage gear was weak to begin with, I did not hear SE say salavge gear is the best so we are making it hard to get. SE did however say relics where suppose to be the top and mythics under them when mythics came out.

new =/= better

This is like saying there needs to be a balance between an onion sword and excalbur.

how do you figure?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

how do you figure?

I'm saying that they're trying to update something that is old making it unnescisarily as powerful as something new. An onion sword doesn't need to be on par with excalabur just as much as excalabur doesn't need to beat an Empyrean in stats. Are you still using 32RSE legs over empyrean+2?

[Rambus]

I'm saying that they're trying to update something that is old making it unnescisarily as powerful as something new. An onion sword doesn't need to be on par with excalabur just as much as excalabur doesn't need to beat an Empyrean in stats. Are you still using 32RSE legs over empyrean+2?

Depends on the job... and macro, yes my rse can be more useful in some macro situations then emp +2 legs.

that onion sword does not take years to get, the logic is not the same

new=/= better!!! it is true with some things but not all the time, before abyssea the game had a BIG theme in having older gear be better then the newer gear, the newer gear was more for have nots.That is EXACLTY the same idea with emp weapons.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

That still dose not include a nescessity to update older weapons.

[Kiba]

Tsukino_Kaji,

Although it is clear you do not support the purpose of this thread to address the issue that relic and mythic weapons need adjustments, I thank you for your input. As the purpose is clearly stated to assemble input from players who share the same concerns we just want to have the opportunity to address this just like any other player hoping for their ideas and suggestions to reach the development team. Please be considerate on this. Whether our concern is valid or not will be determined by the community reps and development team. In my opinion, old content updated and changed turns into new content which is how the game has been developing, but I understand my opinion may not be the same as others and I do not enforce that upon others. Thank you again.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

But I still see no justification why an older weapon needs to be updated to the same power as the new ones.

[Crysten]

No i mean solo, you can brew anything you want, you can brew any emp NM and take it down with one brew.

for 75>80 have exp pt, solo farm KI, or solo kill normal mob and get KI. use brew to kill NM if needed, some job can solo 75>80 NM and solo the KI NM too, depending on the emp

...seriously?

So if you were to solo brew everything, let's say for the sake of an example: Masamune.

Assuming you want to brew the lesser NMs (which, if you are, you're automatically stupid) - 25 times each minimum assuming you get red/KI every time:

La Theine Leige: 25 times, 8 brews (assuming a one shot on brew, and 3 kills a brew), 1.6 million Cruor.
Baba Yaga: 25 times, 8 brews, 1.6 million Cruor.
Carabosse: 25 times, 8 brews, 1.6 million Cruor.

EDIT: Slight exaggeration on my OP, I didn't factor in killtime.

I dunno about you, but we're looking at a fair bit of time just to get the cruor you need to brew everything for the level 80 version. It's certainly gonna take you more than a week!

80>85 is a bit more tricky but common to get groups that want +2 gear. If needed you can solo farm KI and brew NM. You can collect KI tell people you can lot xxx but the emp items are mine to save brewing. Collecting any emp KI is soloable from what I seen. Maybe there is a few that is very hard solo I do not know.

Same thing applies here. Grouping up with people at this point automatically makes your argument of "soloing an Empyrean" invalid if you're going to brew it all. So assume another 4-5 million cruor for this stage at least (though of course you can solo Croin on RDM, so you could argue it both ways)!

85>90, same as 80>85

Sure is.

mythic? you really think 1-4 people can kill those NMs?

You didn't read what I said. Mythics need a huge adjustment in their difficulty/performance ratio. Mythics need to be better than Empyreans, I believe.

you spending 2 years on salvage gear is your fault , it did not take much thought to know those drop rates where too poor to deal with.

Spending 5 years on a Yoichi is also your fault/decision. Pot, this is the kettle. He's black.

besides salvage armor =/= relic weapons. you your self said 20 mil for subpar armor

You've never played MNK before, have you?

[Rambus]

You can solo KIs without brew! and some of the NMs can be soloed without brew!

I do not think your understanding me.

its simple concept, you can solo emps if you choose too, you cannot solo emps or mythics.

getting 4 people is around what you need to do emp in 1 week, you can not do parts of relic or mythic with 4.

I really think your not understanding or trying to understand what I say

You didn't read what I said. Mythics need a huge adjustment in their difficulty/performance ratio. Mythics need to be better than Empyreans, I believe.

not what SE said! SE just made the quest too hard without thinking.

Spending 5 years on a Yoichi is also your fault/decision. Pot, this is the kettle. He's black.

troll comment? I do not understand this

[Crysten]

You can solo KIs without brew! and some of the NMs can be soloed without brew!

I do not think your understanding me.

its simple concept, you can solo emps if you choose too, you cannot solo emps or mythics.

Oh, I agree. What I'm saying is you can't truly solo an Empyrean without a significant time investment farming Cruor for brews, assuming you go for the harder NMs and you're not dualboxing. This is the part of the argument that I find dumb - people shouldn't overexaggerate and say "you can solo it in a week!" when in actuality most people are actually dualboxing and doing these in groups anyway, exactly as for relics and mythics.

I don't think relics need adjusting. Mandau, Annihilator and Amano (to name a couple), fully upgraded are still better and/or on par with Empyreans.

There are shitty relics, and there are shitty Empyreans.