Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

[Demon6324236]

This thread is likely not to ask if they will be nerfed, or if content will be nerfed with it, but rather to stress just how important it is that they nerf the content that requires it down to normal standards.

[revear]

Arcon i was pointing my finger to pchan for one. 2 most events are easy down with decent players and skill the fact PD and embrava is now used on everything is because it is easy access to get. make a mule book burn 30 abyysea cleave done easy as that. there is no achievement now that makes me feel WOW look at that, for example here is my ls back in 2009 killing PW when no one could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_2YviSqNg

[Caketime]

Don't worry guys and girls, soon there will be balance brought to PD and Embrava, then all we have to do is wait another 6 months for the bosses to reflect the changes. Diablo III sounds like a good time killer until then.

[MarkovChain]

Trying and succeeding is proof good enough. People ddin't report it: "we think it's possible" but "we did it".

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video, it's just braging on video games forums. It's theorically possible with an army of shock squall, but it's too much of a bitch to be realistic (every move or spell would kill a SMN in range or an avatar in range, or silence it, or stone it, or stun/pull back it). I mean even AV didn't have every single move insta killing, just meteor was retarded.

Side effect overall in the game : defensive gear is useless, /nin is nearly useless, tanks are useless, healer are usless. Embrava is less of a problem imo because it's replacable by BRD, but as far as PD goes, you will not be able to clear many things without PD fully functionning.

Also someone mentionned Meeble Burrows ; it's not that bad since non of the mobs spam death or weakness moves (I didn't see any at least and it was on seen on the test server), embrava makes things smoother, but is probably not needed ( for the last boss, you would just need a stun and replace a sch with a DD)

[Zirael]

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video, it's just braging on video games forums. It's theorically possible with an army of shock squall, but it's too much of a bitch to be realistic (every move or spell would kill a SMN in range or an avatar in range, or silence it, or stone it, or stun/pull back it). I mean even AV didn't have every single move insta killing, just meteor was retarded.

Side effect overall in the game : defensive gear is useless, /nin is nearly useless, tanks are useless, healer are usless. Embrava is less of a problem imo because it's replacable by BRD, but as far as PD goes, you will not be able to clear many things without PD fully functionning.

Also someone mentionned Meeble Burrows ; it's not that bad since non of the mobs spam death or weakness moves (I didn't see any at least and it was on seen on the test server), embrava makes things smoother, but is probably not needed ( for the last boss, you would just need a stun and replace a sch with a DD)

Dude, if they were claiming pigs can fly I'd ask for a video, but for something that I very much deem possible, I'm not so bothered. I don't play this game to record videos of everything I do either.
Like with that contest of yours for NNI win without cheats, I'm sure my group won without cheats twice (no fleehack, no lamp dat, no see through walls, not even Skype - the whole party), back when we were still doing it. If I told that to anyone and they didn't believe it possible - won't upset me much, not everyone is capable of assessing situations given a set number of constraints and facts. Hell, people even posted videos of just that, but then someone would still pop and say - I'm sure they start fleehacking as soon as they lose sight of the person recording the video!

[Arcon]

Arcon i was pointing my finger to pchan for one. 2 most events are easy down with decent players and skill the fact PD and embrava is now used on everything is because it is easy access to get. make a mule book burn 30 abyysea cleave done easy as that. there is no achievement now that makes me feel WOW look at that, for example here is my ls back in 2009 killing PW when no one could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_2YviSqNg

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Current events are not easy without Embrava or PD, some may even border on impossible (Nyzul Uncharted for example). That video kinda proves that things were not ok. If no one else could kill it, as you so arrogantly claim, despite being out for years, it's not well designed content. PW and AV were shitty back in the day, if you compare that to current content you're calling it shitty as well.

It was tolerable with AV and PW, because they were niche cases. You could still get most of the good gear without doing them. It's different now, as everything good since Voidwatch was in Nyzul Uncharted, Legion, Einherjar, and now Meeble Burrows. It's as if every good piece of gear back in the day dropped off AV, and no one could clear it. That's bad content right there.

[Sarick]

I'm going to explain a few things I see wrong here and why.

I do think that these abilities are being overused because their effectiveness however, I see other issues with the original post that make it inapt.

First off. I don't know why you'd show this video using 3rd party gear swap tools. If you look when the WS is used there is a flood of 16 items that gets swapped instantly. A single macro doesn't have the capability to swap over 6 items at once like that.

Secondly, cheating and exploiting obviously aren't morale issues so why point out the exploited flaws after reaching the final stage? For this reason I agree with the (I got my 99+Glow, I'm special now change these to make me stay that way) mentality others have been cranky about.

Lastly, I see a bit of arrogance, someone clearly wants to flaunt their 99 weapon every chance they can. Just look at that sig.

Come on, if a person abused the features then post negative stuff after collecting the rewards it does sound a little hypocritical to me.

[Chuckytaru]

I'm going to explain a few things I see wrong here and why.

I do think that these abilities are being overused because their effectiveness however, I see other issues with the original post that make it inapt.

First off. I don't know why you'd show this video using of 3rd party gear swap tools. If you look when the WS is used there is a flood of 16 items that gets swapped instantly. A single macro doesn't have the capability to swap over 6 items at once like that.

Secondly, cheating and exploiting obviously aren't morale issues so why point out the exploited flaws after reaching the final stage? For this reason I agree with the (I got my 99+Glow, I'm special now change these to make me stay that way) mentality others have been cranky about.

Lastly, I see a bit of arrogance, someone clearly wants to flaunt their 99 weapon every chance they can. Just look at that sig.

Come on, if a person abused the features then post negative stuff after collecting the rewards it does sound a little hypocritical to me.

i dont know where my prev post is or why i dont see it anymore but yeah what you wrote here is exactly what i was thinking

[Kriegsgott]

Do you remember when you were doing salvage and killed normal NMs, that didn't have insta death moves, when a boss's aoe would do 500 damage and was considered dangerous, when you could kill mobs even of the easiest kind without embrava ? This time has gone and we all regret it. SE has been designing mobs and content around PD and embrava since after abyssea, and it is getting in a very bad way in my opinion.

Here is an example of why embrava broke the game ; ADL is not killable without perfect defense, we have yet to see a reported kill, even with a complete alliance of 18. Why ? because SE designed it to cast tier IV - aga spells instantaneously, it casts all enfeeble with aoe version, has severely damaging TP moves (with added effetc silence, bind, terror, petification, blind) which he spams, has instant death TP moves, can split ad infinitum,etc. So they probably designed it with the idea to use PD, and what did players do ? They used perfect defense.


3 man ADL

Here is a video showing why perfect defense is so unbalanced, as a mob that can't be killed with 18 suddenly becomes a joke with 3.

did you buy all your Umbral Marrow's or got them with the didn very liked PD part ?
fix your head plz there is something wrong

[Raksha]

Here is an example of why embrava broke the game ; ADL is not killable without perfect defense

oh you.


Do people have any suggestions as to how SE could make fights challenging/interesting without requiring PD/embrava?