Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

[Caketime]

Don't worry guys and girls, soon there will be balance brought to PD and Embrava, then all we have to do is wait another 6 months for the bosses to reflect the changes. Diablo III sounds like a good time killer until then.

[Sarick]

I'm going to explain a few things I see wrong here and why.

I do think that these abilities are being overused because their effectiveness however, I see other issues with the original post that make it inapt.

First off. I don't know why you'd show this video using 3rd party gear swap tools. If you look when the WS is used there is a flood of 16 items that gets swapped instantly. A single macro doesn't have the capability to swap over 6 items at once like that.

Secondly, cheating and exploiting obviously aren't morale issues so why point out the exploited flaws after reaching the final stage? For this reason I agree with the (I got my 99+Glow, I'm special now change these to make me stay that way) mentality others have been cranky about.

Lastly, I see a bit of arrogance, someone clearly wants to flaunt their 99 weapon every chance they can. Just look at that sig.

Come on, if a person abused the features then post negative stuff after collecting the rewards it does sound a little hypocritical to me.

[Chuckytaru]

I'm going to explain a few things I see wrong here and why.

I do think that these abilities are being overused because their effectiveness however, I see other issues with the original post that make it inapt.

First off. I don't know why you'd show this video using of 3rd party gear swap tools. If you look when the WS is used there is a flood of 16 items that gets swapped instantly. A single macro doesn't have the capability to swap over 6 items at once like that.

Secondly, cheating and exploiting obviously aren't morale issues so why point out the exploited flaws after reaching the final stage? For this reason I agree with the (I got my 99+Glow, I'm special now change these to make me stay that way) mentality others have been cranky about.

Lastly, I see a bit of arrogance, someone clearly wants to flaunt their 99 weapon every chance they can. Just look at that sig.

Come on, if a person abused the features then post negative stuff after collecting the rewards it does sound a little hypocritical to me.

i dont know where my prev post is or why i dont see it anymore but yeah what you wrote here is exactly what i was thinking

[Kriegsgott]

Do you remember when you were doing salvage and killed normal NMs, that didn't have insta death moves, when a boss's aoe would do 500 damage and was considered dangerous, when you could kill mobs even of the easiest kind without embrava ? This time has gone and we all regret it. SE has been designing mobs and content around PD and embrava since after abyssea, and it is getting in a very bad way in my opinion.

Here is an example of why embrava broke the game ; ADL is not killable without perfect defense, we have yet to see a reported kill, even with a complete alliance of 18. Why ? because SE designed it to cast tier IV - aga spells instantaneously, it casts all enfeeble with aoe version, has severely damaging TP moves (with added effetc silence, bind, terror, petification, blind) which he spams, has instant death TP moves, can split ad infinitum,etc. So they probably designed it with the idea to use PD, and what did players do ? They used perfect defense.


3 man ADL

Here is a video showing why perfect defense is so unbalanced, as a mob that can't be killed with 18 suddenly becomes a joke with 3.

did you buy all your Umbral Marrow's or got them with the didn very liked PD part ?
fix your head plz there is something wrong

[Raksha]

Here is an example of why embrava broke the game ; ADL is not killable without perfect defense

oh you.


Do people have any suggestions as to how SE could make fights challenging/interesting without requiring PD/embrava?

[Caketime]

oh you.


Do people have any suggestions as to how SE could make fights challenging/interesting without requiring PD/embrava?

Wait, hold on a second. Fights right now with PD/Embrava are boring as hell, when were they ever interesting or challenging? The two spells by themselves are p. rad, but with them in use all the time and new content forcing it with instant KO moves, most jobs have no place in a group. Why bring a WHM when you can just have a SCH and SMN team buff up, maybe toss a Regen here and there and laugh all the way to the bank?

I'm a little pissed that I've spent so much time and energy gearing and skilling my WHM just to be sidelined by literally every group in favor of a SCH because of ONE spell. That goes without mentioning how pointless it is for me to bother with status heals in most boss fights because of status auras, my job has pretty much been retired by design.

[Arcon]

Come on, if a person abused the features then post negative stuff after collecting the rewards it does sound a little hypocritical to me.

It's Pchan, what did you expect? He is an arrogant hypocrite, everyone knows that. But he was spot on with his complaint. People need to stop looking at who said it and instead look at what's being said.

Do people have any suggestions as to how SE could make fights challenging/interesting without requiring PD/embrava?

Were you around at any point during the 8 years before Abyssea? There was multitude of endgame content (everything but AV and PW) that was challenging but beatable without exploiting game mechanics like that. Things involving hate control, crowd control, physical/magical damage phases, melees timing their battle phases, tanks and backup tanks, positioning, kiting, etc.

so you are saying nidhogg khim tia ixion sandworm aspid KB never had any good drops to then?

No, I said exactly the opposite. Read my post again and try to understand it this time.

[Raksha]

Were you around at any point during the 8 years before Abyssea? There was multitude of endgame content (everything but AV and PW) that was challenging but beatable without exploiting game mechanics like that. Things involving hate control, crowd control, physical/magical damage phases, melees timing their battle phases, tanks and backup tanks, positioning, kiting, etc.

Sure I was around back then, but I'm talking about new stuff, not just rehashing old stuff (as fun as it was).

[Sarick]

It's Pchan, what did you expect? He is an arrogant hypocrite, everyone knows that. But he was spot on with his complaint. People need to stop looking at who said it and instead look at what's being said.

I said this >>

I do think that these abilities are being overused because their effectiveness however, I see other issues with the original post that make it inapt.

Did you even read my full post? I didn't ninja edit anything extra in, if you look a post later you can see someone quoted me. Outside the removal of the word "of" nothing has changed.

I'm spot on already. Question is, why are you trying to preach this to me after I already explained everything?

[Damane]

oh you.


Do people have any suggestions as to how SE could make fights challenging/interesting without requiring PD/embrava?

how about by starting: let VIT/Def gear matter
fixing the enmity for a real tank
by letting m.acc magian trial staffs actually matter in debuffs.
by letting debuffs actually matter!
by haveing only 1 dangerous move that is stunnable tough
by limiting AoE moves of mobs to 15' so mages dont get one shot because they stand a tad too close doing their job
list goes on.