Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

[Zirael]

It is certainly possible IMO with 3 SMN using a shock squall rotation, or 2 RDMs chainspell-stunning (note: I have no proof of that, just a guess, like the people who claimed it is possible w/o PD). How is that different from perfect defense in the end, though? It doesn't change the core of the problem: you have to make your self invincible (or make the mob uneable to act) to kill it..

Trying and succeeding is proof good enough. People ddin't report it: "we think it's possible" but "we did it".

[MarkovChain]

Trying and succeeding is proof good enough. People ddin't report it: "we think it's possible" but "we did it".

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video, it's just braging on video games forums. It's theorically possible with an army of shock squall, but it's too much of a bitch to be realistic (every move or spell would kill a SMN in range or an avatar in range, or silence it, or stone it, or stun/pull back it). I mean even AV didn't have every single move insta killing, just meteor was retarded.

Side effect overall in the game : defensive gear is useless, /nin is nearly useless, tanks are useless, healer are usless. Embrava is less of a problem imo because it's replacable by BRD, but as far as PD goes, you will not be able to clear many things without PD fully functionning.

Also someone mentionned Meeble Burrows ; it's not that bad since non of the mobs spam death or weakness moves (I didn't see any at least and it was on seen on the test server), embrava makes things smoother, but is probably not needed ( for the last boss, you would just need a stun and replace a sch with a DD)

[Zirael]

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video, it's just braging on video games forums. It's theorically possible with an army of shock squall, but it's too much of a bitch to be realistic (every move or spell would kill a SMN in range or an avatar in range, or silence it, or stone it, or stun/pull back it). I mean even AV didn't have every single move insta killing, just meteor was retarded.

Side effect overall in the game : defensive gear is useless, /nin is nearly useless, tanks are useless, healer are usless. Embrava is less of a problem imo because it's replacable by BRD, but as far as PD goes, you will not be able to clear many things without PD fully functionning.

Also someone mentionned Meeble Burrows ; it's not that bad since non of the mobs spam death or weakness moves (I didn't see any at least and it was on seen on the test server), embrava makes things smoother, but is probably not needed ( for the last boss, you would just need a stun and replace a sch with a DD)

Dude, if they were claiming pigs can fly I'd ask for a video, but for something that I very much deem possible, I'm not so bothered. I don't play this game to record videos of everything I do either.
Like with that contest of yours for NNI win without cheats, I'm sure my group won without cheats twice (no fleehack, no lamp dat, no see through walls, not even Skype - the whole party), back when we were still doing it. If I told that to anyone and they didn't believe it possible - won't upset me much, not everyone is capable of assessing situations given a set number of constraints and facts. Hell, people even posted videos of just that, but then someone would still pop and say - I'm sure they start fleehacking as soon as they lose sight of the person recording the video!

[Demon6324236]

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video

You have killed it in your dreams.

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