Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

[Monchat]

P.S. people have reported ADL kills without using PD. I'm sorry that they didn't send you a personal email to inform you.

It is certainly possible IMO with 3 SMN using a shock squall rotation, or 2 RDMs chainspell-stunning (note: I have no proof of that, just a guess, like the people who claimed it is possible w/o PD). How is that different from perfect defense in the end, though? It doesn't change the core of the problem: you have to make your self invincible (or make the mob uneable to act) to kill it..

[Zirael]

It is certainly possible IMO with 3 SMN using a shock squall rotation, or 2 RDMs chainspell-stunning (note: I have no proof of that, just a guess, like the people who claimed it is possible w/o PD). How is that different from perfect defense in the end, though? It doesn't change the core of the problem: you have to make your self invincible (or make the mob uneable to act) to kill it..

Trying and succeeding is proof good enough. People ddin't report it: "we think it's possible" but "we did it".

[MarkovChain]

Trying and succeeding is proof good enough. People ddin't report it: "we think it's possible" but "we did it".

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video, it's just braging on video games forums. It's theorically possible with an army of shock squall, but it's too much of a bitch to be realistic (every move or spell would kill a SMN in range or an avatar in range, or silence it, or stone it, or stun/pull back it). I mean even AV didn't have every single move insta killing, just meteor was retarded.

Side effect overall in the game : defensive gear is useless, /nin is nearly useless, tanks are useless, healer are usless. Embrava is less of a problem imo because it's replacable by BRD, but as far as PD goes, you will not be able to clear many things without PD fully functionning.

Also someone mentionned Meeble Burrows ; it's not that bad since non of the mobs spam death or weakness moves (I didn't see any at least and it was on seen on the test server), embrava makes things smoother, but is probably not needed ( for the last boss, you would just need a stun and replace a sch with a DD)

[Zirael]

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video, it's just braging on video games forums. It's theorically possible with an army of shock squall, but it's too much of a bitch to be realistic (every move or spell would kill a SMN in range or an avatar in range, or silence it, or stone it, or stun/pull back it). I mean even AV didn't have every single move insta killing, just meteor was retarded.

Side effect overall in the game : defensive gear is useless, /nin is nearly useless, tanks are useless, healer are usless. Embrava is less of a problem imo because it's replacable by BRD, but as far as PD goes, you will not be able to clear many things without PD fully functionning.

Also someone mentionned Meeble Burrows ; it's not that bad since non of the mobs spam death or weakness moves (I didn't see any at least and it was on seen on the test server), embrava makes things smoother, but is probably not needed ( for the last boss, you would just need a stun and replace a sch with a DD)

Dude, if they were claiming pigs can fly I'd ask for a video, but for something that I very much deem possible, I'm not so bothered. I don't play this game to record videos of everything I do either.
Like with that contest of yours for NNI win without cheats, I'm sure my group won without cheats twice (no fleehack, no lamp dat, no see through walls, not even Skype - the whole party), back when we were still doing it. If I told that to anyone and they didn't believe it possible - won't upset me much, not everyone is capable of assessing situations given a set number of constraints and facts. Hell, people even posted videos of just that, but then someone would still pop and say - I'm sure they start fleehacking as soon as they lose sight of the person recording the video!

[Demon6324236]

They didn't do it or you would have seen it done in a video

You have killed it in your dreams.

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[Demon6324236]

This thread is likely not to ask if they will be nerfed, or if content will be nerfed with it, but rather to stress just how important it is that they nerf the content that requires it down to normal standards.

[revear]

Arcon i was pointing my finger to pchan for one. 2 most events are easy down with decent players and skill the fact PD and embrava is now used on everything is because it is easy access to get. make a mule book burn 30 abyysea cleave done easy as that. there is no achievement now that makes me feel WOW look at that, for example here is my ls back in 2009 killing PW when no one could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_2YviSqNg

[Arcon]

Arcon i was pointing my finger to pchan for one. 2 most events are easy down with decent players and skill the fact PD and embrava is now used on everything is because it is easy access to get. make a mule book burn 30 abyysea cleave done easy as that. there is no achievement now that makes me feel WOW look at that, for example here is my ls back in 2009 killing PW when no one could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_2YviSqNg

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Current events are not easy without Embrava or PD, some may even border on impossible (Nyzul Uncharted for example). That video kinda proves that things were not ok. If no one else could kill it, as you so arrogantly claim, despite being out for years, it's not well designed content. PW and AV were shitty back in the day, if you compare that to current content you're calling it shitty as well.

It was tolerable with AV and PW, because they were niche cases. You could still get most of the good gear without doing them. It's different now, as everything good since Voidwatch was in Nyzul Uncharted, Legion, Einherjar, and now Meeble Burrows. It's as if every good piece of gear back in the day dropped off AV, and no one could clear it. That's bad content right there.

[revear]

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Current events are not easy without Embrava or PD, some may even border on impossible (Nyzul Uncharted for example). That video kinda proves that things were not ok. If no one else could kill it, as you so arrogantly claim, despite being out for years, it's not well designed content. PW and AV were shitty back in the day, if you compare that to current content you're calling it shitty as well.

It was tolerable with AV and PW, because they were niche cases. You could still get most of the good gear without doing them. It's different now, as everything good since Voidwatch was in Nyzul Uncharted, Legion, Einherjar, and now Meeble Burrows. It's as if every good piece of gear back in the day dropped off AV, and no one could clear it. That's bad content right there.

so you are saying nidhogg khim tia ixion sandworm aspid KB never had any good drops to then?
no offense but that was my best time in 11 killing shit and dominating the server and obtaining the rare items,
my question to u arcon where were u? at these times

[MarkovChain]

so you are saying nidhogg khim tia ixion sandworm aspid KB never had any good drops to then?
no offense but that was my best time in 11 killing shit and dominating the server and obtaining the rare items,
my question to u arcon where were u? at these times

Dominating the server when Ixion, sandworm, KB, khimaira were garbage ? Not sure what this has to do with the discussion anyway.

did you buy all your Umbral Marrow's or got them with the didn very liked PD part ?

translation please

fix your head plz there is something wrong

Inbefore nyzlulz.