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    It's bad for the company when all the small annoying timesinks eventually add up to become a big enough annoyance for the player to quit. Additionally, it is bad for the player long before that point.

    In reality though, it doesn't make players play the game more, because a lot of them will just screw it all and not bother with the piece at all if they can't make room for it.

    Take me as an example, I will gladly spend time on getting the +2 pieces that are good at +2 and that I will use regularly. However, the +2 pieces that are very situational and do not offer a very good augmented buffs, I will simply not get at all. Not the +2, and not the augmented +2.

    In this situation, it is easy to see that I actually play less, not more, because if I could have stored the +2 right away, I might have taken it to that point and stored whenever I needed the space. Currently, if I take it to +2 for "fun", I would have to throw it away if I needed the space. While I would spend 500k for a piece just for fun, I would not spend 500k on a piece I would have to throw away later because I needed more space.
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    If the true mentality behind why they made it so you would have to augment the pieces to store them, is so the dev time was not wasted by making the augments themselves then it is very bad design. I could list off every merit for every job I play and tell you why the augmented gear is not worth augmenting for most people, or at least for me. If I do not use a merit, I should not have to augment the gear for me to store it.

    So far as I recall, the merits themselves are to promote diversity, however this make it so I must upgrade pieces of gear I have no use for thanks to my play style & choices, just to store it so that it does not take space. An example of this, my RDM gear. I main RDM, I do all I can to max out my gear for my RDM, each piece of my Relic+2 has a use for something except my legs. Head augments are Dia III & Slow II, now, Dia is useful, I have it merited, however Slow II isn't, so it has no use for me. Body is Chainspell, this is fairly useful. Hands are for Phalanx II, I use this, it has use. Then we come to the legs & feet. Bio, Blind, and Paralyze, none of which are merited, thus no effect. So for my diversity, I get nothing.
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    Looking back through the thread, the only potentially offensive thing that I saw toward the Devs or Reps, was this quote.
    Quote Originally Posted by Novabane View Post
    I support the OP, liked. I'm just waiting for "NO"kipuit to come in and say that there are no plans to implement this. Then i'll grab my popcorn and sit back and watch this thread flame and the drama ensue. I really hope I'm wrong though. lol
    Because of the "Nokipuit" comment, even though it often seems true, and is a catchy phrase to throw around at times like this imo. In either case past that I still fail to see much else that could be offensive, it was really just people who felt ignored, and wanted an answer about a question both simple, and worthwhile for the good it would do the players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Looking back through the thread, the only potentially offensive thing that I saw toward the Devs or Reps, was this quote.Because of the "Nokipuit" comment, even though it often seems true, and is a catchy phrase to throw around at times like this imo. In either case past that I still fail to see much else that could be offensive, it was really just people who felt ignored, and wanted an answer about a question both simple, and worthwhile for the good it would do the players.
    They deleted my comments about playing flash games, because they were offensive and made people cry.
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    lol... This is why these forums seem like a joke sometimes...
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    As I posted in the other thread, I don't really care about this but I wouldn't complain if they added the slips in. However, why are you guys so up in arms over this? It's a relatively minor improvement. Why not throw your efforts and energy into bumping something truly useful like Byrth's "uncapping the merit points categories" thread or one of the "increase the number of WS you can merit" threads?
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    Thats the exact reason why! Its a minor thing, no reason why it can not, or should not be done, and actually it is a problem as it hurts inventory space, a common complaint we have anyways which slips help to mitigate/fix. SE thinks their merit system gives diversity, while I completely disagree with the idea that it does that, with their census data backing it up for the most part, its a reason on how/why they built it that way, so I cant really argue with it. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of uncapping merits & allowing full merits in every category of every job, it would massively improve RDM's use. Its just that it seems less likely as from how they make it sound, it would be going against the very idea of merits, where as these slips are to save space, and adding more has no downfall in anyway I can see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detlef View Post
    However, why are you guys so up in arms over this? It's a relatively minor improvement. Why not throw your efforts and energy into bumping something truly useful like Byrth's "uncapping the merit points categories" thread or one of the "increase the number of WS you can merit" threads?
    I fully support those two as well, however this VERY minor change seems worth the fight, while the others i highly doubt SE will budge on. There's nothing i can add to the excellent points that byrth already made to those other adjustments.
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    I would actually prefer if they add a storage slip for relic+2 non augment over them uncapping merits.
    Quote Originally Posted by detlef View Post
    As I posted in the other thread, I don't really care about this but I wouldn't complain if they added the slips in. However, why are you guys so up in arms over this? It's a relatively minor improvement. Why not throw your efforts and energy into bumping something truly useful like Byrth's "uncapping the merit points categories" thread or one of the "increase the number of WS you can merit" threads?
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    Really? Wow.
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