Concerns about SCH.

[Jomen]

@Fetus,

Yeah, I lvled SCH to 75 as my second job. I'm not gonna waste 2 strategms and merits to lower enmity on a spell. That's the dumbest thing I think you can do with your hard earned exp and in a healing or nuking position, wasting strategms on enmity is ridiculous.

The spell I pointed out with the enmity staying constant would work like this. You cast it, and for that amount of time there would be no enmity influx at all. Let me break it down for you, since you just seem like a fanboy fetus and not good at thinking outside of the box. If I use Animus augeo or minuo at this current time, I've still seen Ukkon wars go berserk and get all the hate anyway. So instead, this spell would make it so no enmity could change, so that the 90 pld doing 30 damage a hit or whatever the hell is tanking, will keep hate after the war goes berserk and does a 5k ukkon. Get it?

Second, I got confused a little you're right. I do 3.7k on average in abyssea with a tier 5. Still doesn't change the fact that blms are pushing 7.5k when they're ridiculously built. I don't really need to prove to you if SCH is one of my mains since I've only ever got compliments on my server for my skill and am always getting recruited for lowman stuff.

As for the subbing rdm. I don't want to all the time? Perhaps I'd like to have access to the curaga spells from whm, or the warp from blm just because? Nah, I think I'll /rdm all the time because they get refresh...yeah...that sounds right.... My argument was it should be native so we get more options than sub rdm. I didn't ask for refresh or haste or phalanx, just the low lvl enfeebles so I don't have to always be /rdm. Although fast cast is nice.

Do you play SCH, fetus? Cuz last I saw I didn't say we are slow or anything like that? I was going with the fact that we don't have the ability to speed through nukes anymore. We used to be the fastest spellcaster with alacrity and now we're not. I'm not asking for super speed, just something to get us standing toe to toe. Also, I wasn't asking for Eubillence. I was saying it would be nice to expend to charges to double it even more. Eubillence is 50%....

Also, who are you? You act like you got beef with me or something. Not like I care, cuz now that you've called me out on my skill on sch, we got beef brah.

Edit: I was just saying some thoughts that came into my mind anyways. Some were good, some were not. I didn't spend all morning thinking up stuff I can beg for haha. Just a quick write before I went back to rl.

[hideka]

@Fetus,

Yeah, I lvled SCH to 75 as my second job. I'm not gonna waste 2 strategms and merits to lower enmity on a spell. That's the dumbest thing I think you can do with your hard earned exp and in a healing or nuking position, wasting strategms on enmity is ridiculous.

i litterally fell out of my chair laughing when i read the above bold statment. EXP is not hard. you can have all jobs 90 and fully merited in under 2 months of work.

[Kasandaro]

That said, we need a bump in magic. They need to adjust the grimoires to push us to an A now instead of B+. It can even be A- but that would at least get us closer to being at the lvl of healing, nuking, or enfeebling that the big three are at.

Skill, especially in Abyssea, but outside as well, with as much accuracy and potency gear is available? Has a very negligible effect. Especially on curing magic, where SCH is arguably most deficient.

-Cure potency under White arts: +2% every 10 lvls.

So at lvl 90 we'd be at 18% cure potency ... No, this is not overpowered. WHMs can hit 50%+ cure potency ... I feel like this would not get us to their lvls but very close to being able to nip at their heels and make them feel pressure.

(non-Light Arts stuff trimmed for space)

wut

You are aware:
a) Cure potency caps at 50% (though, as noone has the job trait, no idea if it would have two separate caps);
b) WHM gets no native Cure Potency;
c) Discounting atma, WHM takes eight pieces (Surya's +2 22%, Orison Cap +2 10%, Serpentes x2 5% Roundel 5%, O Cape 3%, O Earring2 %, Fylgja +1 3%) to hit potency cap, assuming the body and legs are kept clear for Orison curehacks.

18% from your trait - assuming the 50% is a total cap - means that SCH could cap in (Surya's +2 22%, Roundel 5%, Tatsumaki 5%) three pieces (four if you replace Roundel with Serpentes).

How is that not overpowered?

[Fetus]

Yeah, I lvled SCH to 75 as my second job. I'm not gonna waste 2 strategms and merits to lower enmity on a spell. That's the dumbest thing I think you can do with your hard earned exp and in a healing or nuking position, wasting strategms on enmity is ridiculous.

If you don't like it, then don't use it. They're not going to add a stratagem that does the same thing as another stratagem just because nobody likes the idea of using two charges instead of one. If you're suggesting that they reconfigure the way it works (costing one charge instead of two), then I'm all for it.

The spell I pointed out with the enmity staying constant would work like this. You cast it, and for that amount of time there would be no enmity influx at all. Let me break it down for you, since you just seem like a fanboy fetus and not good at thinking outside of the box. If I use Animus augeo or minuo at this current time, I've still seen Ukkon wars go berserk and get all the hate anyway. So instead, this spell would make it so no enmity could change, so that the 90 pld doing 30 damage a hit or whatever the hell is tanking, will keep hate after the war goes berserk and does a 5k ukkon. Get it?

Your 'tude sucks. I never called you a fanboy nor did I "call you out" on your playing skill as SCH. Feel free to quote me on anything I said. However, thanks for providing an example. It seems useful enough to warrant real consideration.

Second, I got confused a little you're right. I do 3.7k on average in abyssea with a tier 5. Still doesn't change the fact that blms are pushing 7.5k when they're ridiculously built. I don't really need to prove to you if SCH is one of my mains since I've only ever got compliments on my server for my skill and am always getting recruited for lowman stuff.

Again, just because I said 2.5K is weaksauce doesn't mean I'm insulting you. If you took it as an insult, sorry, but don't be so defensive.

As for the subbing rdm. I don't want to all the time? Perhaps I'd like to have access to the curaga spells from whm, or the warp from blm just because? Nah, I think I'll /rdm all the time because they get refresh...yeah...that sounds right.... My argument was it should be native so we get more options than sub rdm. I didn't ask for refresh or haste or phalanx, just the low lvl enfeebles so I don't have to always be /rdm. Although fast cast is nice.

Why would you sub anything other than /RDM, honestly? There's nothing you can do with Curaga that you can't do with Accesssion+Cure. You want Warp? Uh, Warp Cudgels are cheap and Scrolls of Instant Warp are 10CP. And yes, of course, every SCH subs /RDM for Refresh. Obviously. In terms of Job Traits/Abilities, Fast Cast, Magic Attack Bonus, Magic Defense Bonus and Convert are pretty much everything you could want in addition to what you already have for SCH. Being able to use Curaga or Warp don't even hold a candle to this. It's so convenient that it makes debate about ones' choice of support job pointless.

I was going with the fact that we don't have the ability to speed through nukes anymore.

You keep saying this and you're still wrong. Alacrity and Celerity exist. If Fast Cast+Alacrity/Celerity isn't cutting it for you, then I don't know what to say. If you want to nuke as fast as a BLM or RDM, then play BLM or RDM.

We used to be the fastest spellcaster with alacrity and now we're not. I'm not asking for super speed, just something to get us standing toe to toe.

Things change. PLD used to be useful. All of the jobs have aspects that they excel at and aspects that they fall short in (compared to other jobs). People keep asking for sooper dooper speed and it gets annoying. Try to come up with something novel for SCH instead of just picking more parts from WHM and BLM that you want and trying to assimilate them into SCH.

Also, I wasn't asking for Eubillence. I was saying it would be nice to expend to charges to double it even more. Eubillence is 50%....

It's not necessary. SCH can breach +68% damage per nuke pre-Elemental Affinity, Magic Attack Bonus, INT formulas or anything else you can think of. Ebullience is +20%, by the way. Savant's Bonnet +1 increases it to +25%. Savant's Bonnet +2 increases it to +30%.

Also, who are you? You act like you got beef with me or something. Not like I care, cuz now that you've called me out on my skill on sch, we got beef brah.

Edit: I was just saying some thoughts that came into my mind anyways. Some were good, some were not. I didn't spend all morning thinking up stuff I can beg for haha. Just a quick write before I went back to rl.

I could ask you the same question. I don't know you nor care about your "skill" with SCH, brah. You said it yourself that you were just "saying some thoughts that came into my mind". And I agree with you: Some were good, some were not. Just because I read your post and told you what I thought about it doesn't mean anything. It's a forum. Get over it.