Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Randwolf]

It won't kill the game for sure, But it would definitely be a body blow to it. I know I'd be quite upset if i logged in missing half of my Friendslists or LS... I'd probably end up quitting.

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

Not feeling pity for anyone who chose friends, or an LS, who are cheaters. The correct response would have been to not do the event and continually complain to S/E until it is fixed. Part of the reason S/E fixes things is they see no one is doing it. Instead, when people cheat, a smaller group complains, because the cheaters don't complain as it is no longer an annoyance, and the event never gets fixed. And, then more people realize that the solution is cheating. So, nothing ever gets fixed and cheating becomes the fallback answer for every broken thing in the game.

[Karbuncle]

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

Not feeling pity for anyone who chose friends, or an LS, who are cheaters. The correct response would have been to not do the event and continually complain to S/E until it is fixed. Part of the reason S/E fixes things is they see no one is doing it. Instead, when people cheat, a smaller group complains, because the cheaters don't complain as it is no longer an annoyance, and the event never gets fixed. And, then more people realize that the solution is cheating. So, nothing ever gets fixed and cheating becomes the fallback answer for every broken thing in the game.

Then you my friend, are an Ignorant hater. Answer me these questions, And maybe I can change my mind

1) How does them dat swapping, effect your playstyle, or you?
2) IF you can find an Answer to 1, Which I doubt, Why does it make you so angry?
3) If you can answer 2, Which i doubt, Have you realized lately this is a game?

Truth is, most people who dislike the so called "Cheaters", are simply hating just to hate, because their morale standards (Which apparently end at basic human emotion such as compassion) tell them CHEATING IS BAD.

Well, I tend to agree that cheating is in fact bad, Especially when it directly and negatively impacts other gamers, Like Botting at HNMs. But, Nyzul Isle, Is a closed, Instanced event. Them swapping .dats on Lamps is not preventing you from Doing the event, and takes nothing away from your personal experience of the event.

Are you angry they have the pixels before you? If so, Why does it matter? You can just wear it proudly that you may have obtained it without cheating, therefor, your victory is significantly more rewarding in the end. Isn't this game about personal achievements? Why do you care about the achievements of others first? This is as stupid as wanting job Nerfs on Diablo 3.

I'm sorry my friend if i come off rude, But this type of ignorant hatred for anyone cheating and anyone whos friends with cheaters is pure disgusting when it does not effect you in any way. I especially hate the morale Hypocrisy, "Cheaters are bad cause cheating is bad" > "F**k Cheaters and their friends!" - So, Cheating is bad, and therefor you hate it, But condemning cheaters and their friends basically saying good riddens is totally morally acceptable?

You're almost as bad as some of the more extremist Christians, Didn't god teach you hate the Sin, not the sinners? And since is hating the friends of the sinner now an acceptable course of moral action as well?
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All I want to say is : lol. Now poping popcorn for the fix they will bring and the wall of butthurt that will come after (BG).

You're stupider than I thought if you think this will bring any butthurt, considering anyone on BG worth a penny has already gotten their armor. But keep dreaming, I know the only meaning your life has these days is hoping you can find a way to make fun of BG. Good lord. move on already.

[Reiterpallasch]

1) I doubt they can tell who swapped dat's
2) If they can, I hope they give them the hammer
3) If the friends of people who get the hammer feel the need to leave, I'll show them the door

So much mad, and so much more jealousy.

People have been using DAT swaps for various things for years. There are entire online FFXI communities hosting thousands and thousands of player created DATs. And nobody has ever given a shit about it, not even back when people used them to solo the Hagun ENM. That's the same thing as this in a nutshell. Though I guess you're going to suggest that they go back and ban everyone that ever did that too right?

I don't think you understand just how big of an impact your jealousy could potentially have on the game, if they were to listen to people like you and banhammer everyone that has ever used DAT swaps, use windower, or anything else deemed a 'cheat'. You don't even suggest they just take the gear away, you want them removed from the game forever, including their friends.

Your kind won't be happy until they ban every windower user, every DAT swapper, and all associated friends along with it. I hope you enjoy yourself if that day ever comes, because you'll likely be doing it on the only server the game has left.

[Randwolf]

So much mad, and so much more jealousy.

Oops, apparently touched a nerve. And, nope. You can try and recast my disgust at cheating, guessing either yours and/or your friends' or shells', as jealousy. But, no, it's simply disgust at people who feel the need to circumvent the rules and then try and justify it by saying "hey, everyone's doing it."

Oh, hang on...nope still just disgust.

p.s. - I've no need to fear the ban hammer. Do you have a need to for yourself or your friends?

[Reiterpallasch]

p.s. - I've no need to fear the ban hammer. Do you have a need to for yourself or your friends?

What you need to be fearing is the possible implications that your jealousy can cause. I'm saying if they banned anyone that has ever cheated as well as their friends, like you seem to want, it would mean for a very fast death of the game (inb4 FFXI is dying bullshit argument).

[Randwolf]

What you need to be fearing is the possible implications that your jealousy can cause. I'm saying if they banned anyone that has ever cheated as well as their friends, like you seem to want, it would mean for a very fast death of the game (inb4 FFXI is dying bullshit argument).

There is a trick in politics where you take something and try to cast it in the light you wish to, to control the conversation. Most intelligent people see through it, though most people aren't intelligent, as the upcoming presidential election shows. However, constantly trying to change my dislike of cheating into jealousy by stating it over and over, won't make it so. Nice try Mitt (or Obama). Let me know when you stop trying to use that tactic. I'll keep focusing on your tactics until you actually say something that is relevant.

p.s. - Trying to preempt something "(inb4 FFXI is dying bullshit argument)" is another tactic that assumes you can see what is coming and have thus stopped it from occurring.

[Arcon]

But, no, it's simply disgust at people who feel the need to circumvent the rules and then try and justify it by saying "hey, everyone's doing it."

I don't need to justify it, it's a fact that 95% of cheating is not hurting anybody. In fact, you probably wouldn't notice a cheater if you played with one for years, if they didn't mention it. I, on the other hand, used to gear swap like crazy on my PLD and people were always thinking I was using Windower macros or SpellCast, which I wasn't.

Breaking the rules is bad? Why? Why are rules so precious to you? If the rules are ridiculous, breaking them is common sense. What about cheating that doesn't affect gameplay at all? What if someone regrets making a Taru (and let's not kid ourselves, who wouldn't?) and wants to see themselves as a Hume? It's illegal to swap their own character. But how is it affecting anything at all? Not only does it not put anyone else at a disadvantage, it doesn't even give any advantage to their own gameplay. Only to their peace of mind.

Rules are not arbitrary. Rules are supposed to serve a purpose. Following rules for the rules' sake is pointless. Rules should be followed to uphold their purpose, which, in this case, is to maintain game balance. And the balance is not upset by a majority of so-called cheats (not all of them are, actually). Sadly, rules are never perfect. SE likes to prevent people from doing the right thing in the fear of making a bad thing possible, which is, with no exceptions known to me, always the worst possible way to approach an issue. The reason Windower came into existence is that SE feared third party tools and disabled leaving fullscreen mode trying to prevent it. Doing that, they imposed a huge restriction on everyone for the fear of a select few using cheats in an environment which was very competitive at endgame. Endgame, which, was not a concern to a majority of the people, and is even less of an issue now.

I have a question to you, personally. Fittingly, it violates the forum rules. A long time ago in a country far, far away, it used to be the law to report any Jews you could identify (or even suspect) to the authorities. Would you follow them or not?

I know it sounds like a stupid Nazi comparison, but it does serve a purpose as well, because following the rules blindly means you're leaving the judgment of what's right or wrong to them instead of your conscience. And that, good Sir, makes you a dickwad. I believe that's the technical term.

[wish12oz]

About windower basic functions: I think my favorite one is the one where if your wireless controller hooked up to your PC shuts off, or if your plugged in controlled gets unplugged for a second, you dont have to shutdown FFXI and then turn it back on to use the controller again. It would be nice if SE would copy this for FFXI and FFXIV.

I have a question to you, personally. Fittingly, it violates the forum rules. A long time ago in a country far, far away, it used to be the law to report any Jews you could identify (or even suspect) to the authorities. Would you follow them or not?.

I lol'd, this is one of the best posts ever, totally gonna remember it to use later!

[Raksha]

Oops, apparently touched a nerve. And, nope. You can try and recast my disgust at cheating, guessing either yours and/or your friends' or shells', as jealousy. But, no, it's simply disgust at people who feel the need to circumvent the rules and then try and justify it by saying "hey, everyone's doing it."

Oh, hang on...nope still just disgust.

p.s. - I've no need to fear the ban hammer. Do you have a need to for yourself or your friends?

Did we find Starcade's new sock?

[SpankWustler]

This debate is about as fruitful now as it was when people were discussing the Salvage issue.

If I step on the grass by the "Do not walk on the grass!" sign, I am prepared to be sprayed with the hose. I know that's the most banal rule ever made but I also know that I'm not the one holding that hose. If your eyeliner might run or your jeans might shrink, it is best to keep in mind that crotchety old groundskeepers don't share the morality of you and I before toe touches Bermuda.

On the other hand, I take a lot of comfort in knowing the borderline autistics who will inevitably pop up and shout, "Rules are sacred things! They should put sharpened, poisoned, rusty, flaming, acid-filled, HIV+ bear-traps on the grass instead of just using the hose!" will someday die totally alone while counting the ceiling tiles in a Hospice facility and not even understand how profoundly sad that is.

Did we find Starcade's new sock?

I should hope so. The old one had Debbie Gibson's face crudely drawn on it in sharpie and a layer of crustiness thick enough to function as a skeletal system.

Actually, I don't think Starcade would make a sock account. That's probably against the rules, and if it is, he would have to...I don't even know...flay off half of his skin to atone for it. That guy is so nuts for pudding that I really see him as one-of-a-kind within the FFXI community. Crazy beyond compare. Also beyond help, probably...sadly.