Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Zirael]

My girlfriend posted this on Facebook, in our forum of 300 members. I thought I'd repost it for here; I like her idea.



Remember, we're not a hardcore LS but we have always been able to get things done in the past. It's only now that SE is programming things to exclude us that we feel the game is no longer built for us... and people are quitting all over the place for our group.

Suprises me still so few people know that you can get free Revitalizer from Moblin Maze Mongers. 1 person opens maze, everyone in the party gets Revitalizer, rinse/repeat.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Revitalization_Team
Another method for 100% Revitalizer is killing this:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Resheph

Or... you can shout 10-30min for a COR.

[Ophannus]

Nyzul gear is some of the best gear in the game. Nobody said everyone needs to have it. It's possible to win nyzul but not 100% of the time, people CAN and DO win legitimately, it just takes many, many tries. Nobody said that gear of this magnitude should be easy to get and you should go 5/5 on all 3 sets in 15 runs.

Old nyzul isle was also good in this way. You could climb in major jumps as a hardcore player and/or farm multiple bosses. At the same time, casual players could climb a few floors and come back again to continue progress, possibly getting a useful ??? item or weapon to unlock as well as a few exp.

You've completely disregarded the fact that:
1) Floor 20/40/60/80 bosses drop gear too that isn't that far from floor 100 gear in terms of stats.
2) Any chump pickup group with a goodsetup can set the stopper on floor 60/80 and easily clear these to get gear and astrariums.
3) Just like how in your post: hardcore player and/or farm multiple bosses. At the same time, casual players could climb a few floors and come back again to continue progress, in neo nyzul a similar system is there. Hardcore players with excellent gear/cohesiveness and powder boots could make it to 100, while casuals could farm lower floors and farm astrariums to get 100's. The difference in stats between 80 and 100 are 1-2 points of stats difference and set effect. 20-80 gear is for casuals and 100 gear is for hardcore. I'm not defending SE but I'm not chastising them either. The content is fine the way it is. Why make it easier for casuals to get floor 100 gear when it's already easy enough to get and the stats make it the best in the game? Last I checked most players went months at 75 to get abjuration gear like E.body or getting salvage gear to drop, the luck/skill factor of Neo Nyzul to get to 100 simulates the same time sink, going weeks-months to get your coveted 100 piece just like it took week-months to build an ares PIECE.

[larrymc]

Greetings!

We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.

The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.

Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.

Makes you wonder if Neo-Nyzul Isle was/is just a honeypot. The lamp dat mod, along with other exploits have been talked about openly on this forum for at least 4 months. And they are just now getting around to fixing it...

[Belmonts]

Greetings!

We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.

The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.

Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.

Sorry to bust your bubble, Camate. I know you mean good but all the people that cheated on this and other exploits on Neo-Nyzul have already the gear they wanted.

They couldn't care less...

Again, we do appreciate SE efforts to stop this.

[Juilan]

Sorry to bust your bubble, Camate. I know you mean good but all the people that cheated on this and other exploits on Neo-Nyzul have already the gear they wanted.

They couldn't care less...

Again, we do appreciate SE efforts to stop this.

I like your choice in words, "stop" not "fix" as many others have stated the issue with neo nyzul isn't the fact people use 3rd party tools to complete it. The issue is, now I'll say this sample and even give you the kanji and furigana so you can tell it to the devs,

The set up, that involves a russian roulette floor jump system, a timer that starts when people are zoning into the zone because of your company's dial-up like ping system, the need to use a scholar's two hour ability, exclusionary job biases, long empty corridors, floors that require you to not only find objects to activate in an order but to guess the order, and monster families in those empty corridors that can easily kill one person unless assisted by a healer. These amount to a horrible idea that should be put in a video game developer's hall of shame.

ロシアンルーレットの床のジャンプシステムを含むセットまで、人々がいるため、企業のダイヤルアップのpingシステム、学者の二つの時間の能力を使用する必要が、排他的な仕事バイアスのように、長い間のゾーンにゾーニングされたときに起動タイマー空の回廊、あなただけのためにアクティブにすることではなく、ヒーラーの援助を受けない限り、簡単に一人を殺すことができ、これらの空の廊下には順序、およびモンスターの家族を推測するオブジェクトを見つけることができませんする必要が床。恥のビデオゲーム開発者のホールに入れなければならない恐ろしい考えに、これらの量。

Roshianrūretto no yuka no janpu shisutemu o fukumu setto made, hitobito ga iru tame, kigyō no daiyaru appu no pingu shisutemu, gakusha no futatsu no jikan no nōryoku o shiyō suru hitsuyō ga, haita-tekina shigoto baiasu no yō ni, nagaiai no zōn ni zōningu sa reta toki ni kidō taimā Sora no kairō, anata dake no tame ni akutibu ni suru kotode wa naku, hīrā no enjo o ukenai kagiri, kantan ni hitori o korosu koto ga deki, korera no sora no rōka ni wa junjo, oyobi monsutā no kazoku o suisoku suru obujekuto o mitsukeru koto ga dekimasen suru hitsuyō ga yuka. Haji no bideogēmu kaihatsu-sha no hōru ni hairenakereba naranai osoroshī kangae ni, korera no ryō.

[Kitkat]

Funny, you still seem to forget that the same thing were true for the salvage bans. They already had their armor too, but after investigations concluded they got banned as well as some that were "oblivious" to the reason behind splitting alliance at NM deaths. No, seriously...look up the whiners from those round of bans....some of them hadn't been doing salvage in months and still got banned.

Honestly, anyone who thinks that they can't figure out who is and who isn't using these exploits is either fooling themselves, or can't see that an obvious progression past lamp floors on first try almost every time is going to look a bit suspicious. You make it sound like it would be a bad thing to lose these players, but honestly they only hurt the game more than they help it. How anyone sees personal gain through the abuse of exploits as helping is beyond me especially when it leads to this in the end. Then again, those who don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it in the future.

Cheering for it doesn't make me oblivious, it means that it can hopefully be rectified by other means, such as follow up adjustments, or cause players to replan how they do the event. Anyone who thinks that those who exploit a mechanic to this extent and shouldn't be reprimanded in some form is far more oblivious than those cheering it on.

[Karbuncle]

Funny, you still seem to forget that the same thing were true for the salvage bans. They already had their armor too, but after investigations concluded they got banned as well as some that were "oblivious" to the reason behind splitting alliance at NM deaths. No, seriously...look up the whiners from those round of bans....some of them hadn't been doing salvage in months and still got banned.

I don't think i said they wouldn't do bans, I'm just saying if they do, Half the playerbase would like end up gone because of the aftermath. They're still capable of doing it, and they would be in the right if they did, I sure as hell wouldn't argue, Though I'd be disappointed that the game would be all but dead at that point.

Honestly, anyone who thinks that they can't figure out who is and who isn't using these exploits is either fooling themselves, or can't see that an obvious progression past lamp floors on first try almost every time is going to look a bit suspicious. You make it sound like it would be a bad thing to lose these players, but honestly they only hurt the game more than they help it. How anyone sees personal gain through the abuse of exploits as helping is beyond me especially when it leads to this in the end. Then again, those who don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it in the future.

I made it sound like a bad thing? Well. To you, Maybe not, But in the grand scheme of things, yes. A lot of these players aren't bad people, They just swapped Dats so they didn't have to deal with the terribleness of that particular part of the event.

Those people are part of LSs, they have friends, those people who don't cheat will be effected by the bannings as well. It won't end the game immediately, But it would make a lot of people lose interest all together. I know if i logged on and somehow half my LS was no longer there, I'd probably give up on the game, especially with all the ridiculous Alliance content.

Hard enough finding a good LS without it being banned.

Cheering for it doesn't make me oblivious, it means that it can hopefully be rectified by other means, such as follow up adjustments, or cause players to replan how they do the event. Anyone who thinks that those who exploit a mechanic to this extent and shouldn't be reprimanded in some form is far more oblivious than those cheering it on.

It kinda does. Especially if you're only cheering for this update notice, Which you were, Until it was pointed out that it would not change anything. In which case, You've qualified it with the Hopefully it will rectify other things, like Ban people.

Cause you know, Banning people is always a good start to resolving an issue.

[Cahlum]

If SE bans any of the tiny amount of players left on this game because of this they are stupid.

[Aldersyde]

If SE bans any of the tiny amount of players left on this game because of this they are stupid.

Hmmm, but the general consensus on this forum seems to be that it's a good move for SE to deny the tiny amount of players on the NA PS2 the new expansion. Keep cheaters and get rid of loyal customers. Makes sense to me.

I've heard all these arguments before...before they did the salvage bans. I think there''s going to be a lot of laughs to be had before this is all over.