Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

[Belmonts]

Greetings!

We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.

The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.

Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.

Sorry to bust your bubble, Camate. I know you mean good but all the people that cheated on this and other exploits on Neo-Nyzul have already the gear they wanted.

They couldn't care less...

Again, we do appreciate SE efforts to stop this.

[Karbuncle]

And already you have players pulling the "All you haters wear pearle/aurora/etc gear" "you're casual players" and all I can do is play the card: Bullshit. Worked my ass off to get gear I have including relic weapon (soon to be plural) and emp weapon. I've been doing the VW grind as I can to get gear from there as well to keep up to date, but I find most my play time is centered around times my LS/friends are asleep or at work now or they have created groups already. I now find myself in a situation where I either learn a new language to find a group or screw my sleep over a fair amount to participate during "peak times."

Kindly take your cheating tears of sorrow to the corner where you belong. If you get banned after investigations are completed my heart bleeds purple panther piss for you, but seriously...what the hell did you expect? Was not the salvage bans proof enough that SE will go after players who willingly and continuously abuse an exploit? And don't flatter yourself, using exploits/cheats/hacks doesn't make you "hardcore" "better" or "more skilled" than anyone else. Just means you'll sink to do whatever possible to make sure you get what you want. Not the brightest way to go about showing an event is broken...by circumventing it with the use of cheats.

Edit: Meh, Trying my best to de-douchify this post. Can't any harder.

Then you're just oblivious. Oh, Maybe i should cry in a corner where i belong too? Sorry to burst your bubble of bullcrap. I don't cheat. I don't even use Windower, And i don't own a single piece of Neo-Nyzul Armor.

But what i do realize is, This does absolutely nothing to stem the problem, Know why? all the people you actually hate (THe ones who cheated) already have their armor.

So what does this accomplish? Preventing more Players accessing the armor? seems meaningless since anyone who wants the armor willing to cheat for it already has it through the cheating means. This update is at best a lipservice to those people who think Windower is Satan's tool. It solves nothing, and only prevents these groups from Merc'ing the armor, Which ironically, is the absolute best method for casual players to obtain the armor.

If they follow it up with Salvage Bans 2.0? They're going to lose More than half of their playerbase, JP or NA/EU, Because even if everyone is not caught in the ban, They're friends of friends, Who will quit because their LS is empty cause of the band, or their friends got banned.

I'm not saying its not a possibility they'll go Banning people, Of course, But it still begs the point, This solves none of the real issues. Damage is done and past. So it leads me back to my first point, Cheering for this means one thing, You're oblivious.

I'm sorry if that stings or sounds rude, but if you think this is any meaningful update, You need a wake up call.

[Danita]

My girlfriend posted this on Facebook, in our forum of 300 members. I thought I'd repost it for here; I like her idea.

I'd be happy to go along to Neo-Nyzul and get gear & wins. But as it stands you're lucky to get to floor 60 w 2x sch and 4 very well geared dd's. And there's no way you'll get to floor 80/100 without that. Then if you want to do multiple runs you either need alts w/ COR, or you pay for 2hr resets from a COR because you HAVE to use Tabula Rasa. No ifs, ands or buts, the SCH's MUST 2hr to get to 60+. As it stands our ls is rather barren in the SCH dept - I've got mine @99 and have the AF3+2 hands (must have to make Embrava last half the run - the other sch covers the other half). If anyone else in SSIF even has SCH leveled I'm not aware of it. Honestly what they ought to do is have a KI system every 20 floors or something. Defeat the boss on floor 20? Get a temp KI that allows you to start @ 20 next time around, and then disappears after being used. Or heck, make the KI's available only on reaching floor 40 or 80. This gives players credit for reaching the higher floors without allowing you to permanently save progress a'la the original Nyzul system.

Remember, we're not a hardcore LS but we have always been able to get things done in the past. It's only now that SE is programming things to exclude us that we feel the game is no longer built for us... and people are quitting all over the place for our group.

[Kitkat]

Funny, you still seem to forget that the same thing were true for the salvage bans. They already had their armor too, but after investigations concluded they got banned as well as some that were "oblivious" to the reason behind splitting alliance at NM deaths. No, seriously...look up the whiners from those round of bans....some of them hadn't been doing salvage in months and still got banned.

Honestly, anyone who thinks that they can't figure out who is and who isn't using these exploits is either fooling themselves, or can't see that an obvious progression past lamp floors on first try almost every time is going to look a bit suspicious. You make it sound like it would be a bad thing to lose these players, but honestly they only hurt the game more than they help it. How anyone sees personal gain through the abuse of exploits as helping is beyond me especially when it leads to this in the end. Then again, those who don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it in the future.

Cheering for it doesn't make me oblivious, it means that it can hopefully be rectified by other means, such as follow up adjustments, or cause players to replan how they do the event. Anyone who thinks that those who exploit a mechanic to this extent and shouldn't be reprimanded in some form is far more oblivious than those cheering it on.

[Cahlum]

If SE bans any of the tiny amount of players left on this game because of this they are stupid.

[Karbuncle]

Funny, you still seem to forget that the same thing were true for the salvage bans. They already had their armor too, but after investigations concluded they got banned as well as some that were "oblivious" to the reason behind splitting alliance at NM deaths. No, seriously...look up the whiners from those round of bans....some of them hadn't been doing salvage in months and still got banned.

I don't think i said they wouldn't do bans, I'm just saying if they do, Half the playerbase would like end up gone because of the aftermath. They're still capable of doing it, and they would be in the right if they did, I sure as hell wouldn't argue, Though I'd be disappointed that the game would be all but dead at that point.

Honestly, anyone who thinks that they can't figure out who is and who isn't using these exploits is either fooling themselves, or can't see that an obvious progression past lamp floors on first try almost every time is going to look a bit suspicious. You make it sound like it would be a bad thing to lose these players, but honestly they only hurt the game more than they help it. How anyone sees personal gain through the abuse of exploits as helping is beyond me especially when it leads to this in the end. Then again, those who don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it in the future.

I made it sound like a bad thing? Well. To you, Maybe not, But in the grand scheme of things, yes. A lot of these players aren't bad people, They just swapped Dats so they didn't have to deal with the terribleness of that particular part of the event.

Those people are part of LSs, they have friends, those people who don't cheat will be effected by the bannings as well. It won't end the game immediately, But it would make a lot of people lose interest all together. I know if i logged on and somehow half my LS was no longer there, I'd probably give up on the game, especially with all the ridiculous Alliance content.

Hard enough finding a good LS without it being banned.

Cheering for it doesn't make me oblivious, it means that it can hopefully be rectified by other means, such as follow up adjustments, or cause players to replan how they do the event. Anyone who thinks that those who exploit a mechanic to this extent and shouldn't be reprimanded in some form is far more oblivious than those cheering it on.

It kinda does. Especially if you're only cheering for this update notice, Which you were, Until it was pointed out that it would not change anything. In which case, You've qualified it with the Hopefully it will rectify other things, like Ban people.

Cause you know, Banning people is always a good start to resolving an issue.

[Zirael]

My girlfriend posted this on Facebook, in our forum of 300 members. I thought I'd repost it for here; I like her idea.



Remember, we're not a hardcore LS but we have always been able to get things done in the past. It's only now that SE is programming things to exclude us that we feel the game is no longer built for us... and people are quitting all over the place for our group.

Suprises me still so few people know that you can get free Revitalizer from Moblin Maze Mongers. 1 person opens maze, everyone in the party gets Revitalizer, rinse/repeat.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Revitalization_Team
Another method for 100% Revitalizer is killing this:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Resheph

Or... you can shout 10-30min for a COR.

[Kitkat]

That is the difference between foresight and aftermath, choices and consequences. Goes to show that just a "simple dat swap" has created more hardship than it has created positive results. These people knew what they were doing when they did it which is why is should result in reprimand. You're reasoning is like comparing the reason why a person stole from a corner store to feed their family. What about the person they held up? What about the strangers they inconvenienced during investigations? It wasn't because it was the only choice, it was because it was easier than going about it the responsible way and correct way.

So no, I feel no sympathy or see no reason to show mercy on those who exploited something in the system because they knew full well when they started doing it that it wasn't something the developers would allow. In fact, there was an update in the past that tried to stop this by moving some of the data server side, but people still continued to do Hex edits and dat swaps to circumvent it. Am I a bit hard on something so "trivial?" Maybe to you I am, but I work with individuals that have the same train of thought as these people, and oddly enough they have the same reasoning...or what I like to call "excuses" you are now using. Funny thing, that none of these "excuses" stopped them from doing it before hand, but somehow are very important in the aftermath of what they have done and should be reasons not to punish them for doing it. Please, get over yourself if you think not reprimanding people for obviously breaking TOS rules is the smart thing to do. You're only inviting these people to do it again then cry crocodile tears again when they get called out for it.

[SpankWustler]

You're reasoning is like comparing the reason why a person stole from a corner store to feed their family. What about the person they held up? What about the strangers they inconvenienced during investigations? It wasn't because it was the only choice, it was because it was easier than going about it the responsible way and correct way.

To assume there is a victim in this case is to assume several things. That the Development Bros are not only diligent and capable enough to monitor success and failure rates of Neo-Nyzul Isle excursions, but also that they would respond in any way other than saying "We did this and this is what we meant to do," after noting the low success rate.

My opinion of them is not as such.

To me, this seems more like stealing something out of a mall's trash dumpster. Technically it is illegal to take the stuff in there, and for that sole reason somebody shouldn't be surprised if he or she is fined or tossed in jail overnight or whatever. That doesn't mean anyone has been victimized or that anything has been taken away from anyone.

[Kitkat]

But it doesn't make it a victimless crime. Rather than take appropriate courses of action to remedy the situation the person made the poor choice to do what they did. By people exploiting a flaw in the program by use of altering how the game is meant to be played they have already created victims by giving false data that the system is not flawed and should remain as is. They then create further victims when they get caught since it will indirectly affect those who rely on them for help with other events once they get reprimanded for their actions.

Take your scenario for example, is it really a victimless crime? What about the establishments image to those who see this woman going through their trash to take something that was disposed of? What about the immediate family of this woman who made the choice to go into the trash? What about the bills she may not be able to make because she now has to pay fines? What about the co-workers who get called in to cover her shift because she got placed in jail over night, or even over the weekend?

How exactly is that a victimless crime when you look at all that is indirectly and directly affected by this persons choice to do the wrong thing?