No Timed Pop Notorious Monsters In New Expansion

[Demon6324236]

I don't see what people have against procs, to be honest. They're a good, tactical design that requires people to actually communicate in order to stand a reliable chance to have victory. I hope something like it makes a return in SoA.

At the same time, I wish Square would please reduce the absurd number of Blue Mage procs on Voidwatch. That would influence me to actually offer it outside of my shell.

Agreed, procs are honestly the only thing keeping the game from being nothing but zerg fights. At least when you need to proc there is a reason not to kill it in 30 seconds with all of the DDs rushing it.

[Trisscar]

>2012 >still don't know how gear swap macros work, because they aren't used to it.

Fixed that for you.

[Tamoa]

At the same time not every situation requires intensive gear swaps, either. Let's say you're a Mage-type character building Azure lights (for the purposes of this example, Blue Mage counts as an actual Mage). Sure, you can keep on doing those same gear swaps. But in the time it takes you to swap gears you can kill the monsters without the gear swaps.

Despite what macro junkies like to say, gear swaps aren't a panacea and it's something that needs to be done on a case-by-case basis.

There is a lot more to this game than Abyssea, seems a lot of people have forgotten that. Try soloing Proto-Ultima as blu like Draylo on Leviathan has, without gearswaps. I guarantee you you won't last long. Or anything where you don't have the atma(cite)/cruor buffs crutch to rely on.

[Trisscar]

There is a lot more to this game than Abyssea, seems a lot of people have forgotten that.

Funny but I seem to recall not making the assumption that there isn't anything more to the game than Aby. I even made the qualifier "even outside of Aby" when I said "it's something best done on a case-by-case basis".

You fail at reading comprehension. Go back and read again, this time for clarity. Do not pass Gilgamesh, do not collect 200 Gil.

Try soloing Proto-Ultima as blu like Draylo on Leviathan has, without gearswaps. I guarantee you you won't last long. Or anything where you don't have the atma(cite)/cruor buffs crutch to rely on.

And why would I do that? Besides which, I admire Draylo but I don't aspire to be like him. Being at the pinnacle must be tough and exhausting work. And there's plenty within the game I couldn't do on my own, and I acknowledge that.

[Karbuncle]

Acknowledging your own limitations, and Ignorance, are two different things.

Knowing you don't have the gear or skill to solo Proto-Ultima, is Acknowledging your current limitations.
Ignoring Macroing gear in a game designed around the concept is Ignorance.

Not saying this applies directly to you, I'm simply using what you said as an example to support the point. Its not a "Case by case" thing, Even building Azure light, You would be better off swapping to a Nuke set, then idling in some MP refresh between mobs.

Once you cap Azure, there's also farming Boxes...

Swapping to a Enhancing Magic, MND/Stoneskin Build to put up your Stoneskin/Blink/etc/Phalanx.
Swapping to PDT/Movement Speed to train mobs.
Swapping to Magic Accuracy to Sleepga
Swapping to Nuke-set to Aga them.
Swapping back to PDT/Macc to Sleep.
Rebuffing If needed.
Swap back to Nuke set to kill.

Gear swapping is a fundamental part of the game, Which you're free to not use, but its not something you can just turn on or off and still be a good player. There's nothing in this game that is optimally done by maintaining a single gear set. There's plenty that can be done in one gearset with little trouble, But not optimally...

the only thing that is considered each time you contemplate gear swapping or not during an event is how much effort do you want to put into it.

[Winrie]

Funny but I seem to recall not making the assumption that there isn't anything more to the game than Aby. I even made the qualifier "even outside of Aby" when I said "it's something best done on a case-by-case basis".

You fail at reading comprehension. Go back and read again, this time for clarity. Do not pass Gilgamesh, do not collect 200 Gil.



And why would I do that? Besides which, I admire Draylo but I don't aspire to be like him. Being at the pinnacle must be tough and exhausting work. And there's plenty within the game I couldn't do on my own, and I acknowledge that.

You seriously just need to stop posting lol. . .
Aside from that i think a lot of you forget that people are the main problem with all the ranting of botting, underhandedness, greed, or that elite kid back in 2007 'Picking on you' Perhaps the solution is to associate with better people or dont be around them at all. I think everyone has forgotten that these EXACT SAME ACTS happened in not only HNMs, but sky, sea, ect, everywhere, Singling out HNM is ignorant, Greed is greed and it happens everywhere on games like these, and not in one part, but all. No one here can tell me Abyssea doesnt hold the same similar greed factor, if anything higher output of gear makes the greedy worse. In a perfect world for many our HNMs were the only problem with the game and Abyssea was perfect.

[Randwolf]

>2012 >still don't know how macros work

1) Getting a job to 99 takes no time
2) Getting a job to 99 requires nothing more than killing mobs over and over (with very little chance for a wipe and some people afk for half the time)
3) Many of the newer people have done little outside of Abyssea. And in Abyssea you are way overpowered
4) Very few people are in shells now. It's pick-ups to kill things. So, the older, experienced members in a shell teaching the newer members how to get the most out of their jobs, does not exist

It would be nice if S/E (and it's too late to implement this without completely screwing up the community) made people take up their very first job the old-fashioned way. Or, if that is too time consuming, at least force them to go through a newb program where they could get rewards for learning and applying the basics. I've watched people (takes just a couple in an alliance) who do not know the basics take down an entire alliance with simple, avoidable mistakes.

[Aldersyde]

It would be nice if S/E (and it's too late to implement this without completely screwing up the community) made people take up their very first job the old-fashioned way. Or, if that is too time consuming, at least force them to go through a newb program where they could get rewards for learning and applying the basics. I've watched people (takes just a couple in an alliance) who do not know the basics take down an entire alliance with simple, avoidable mistakes.

I still don't understand how sitting around jeuno/WG with their flags up for hours (if they're on a undesirable job), and then targeting the weakest, squishiest, least threatening mob for that level for hours and hours...and then more hours of repetitive killing teaches anyone anything about endgame tactics. The old school method of leveling was bullshit. You learn endgame tactics by finding, studying, and applying information by a trial by fire, then learning from mistakes. Being willing to learn and actually possessing a moderate degree of reading comprehension are the only tools you really need to become a good player at this game. Killing pussy mobs over and over again? No, you don't need to do that to learn anything about endgame.

Countless people on this forum have said stuff along these lines, why do so many other people so adamantly believe otherwise?

Your second idea may have some merit but everyone has different concept of what "basic" skills really are. If you leave it up to SE though, they're going to make more tutorials on skill chains and magic bursts.

[wish12oz]

I'm a firm believer in people playing how they wish. You guys have literally no reason or right to tell me how to play if u want that right pay for my account.

I'll pay for your account if you move to Odin and play with my LS and do as I say. It would be fun to see if I could turn you into a competent player and teach you what you're doing wrong so you could excel and see the difference for yourself. Can message me on BG (Kamugi) or FFXI AH (Odin.Kaerin Odin.Kamugi) for more information if you like.

Plus it would probably be fun for people to watch on my stream =3

[Verytus]

Hey guys,

Unfortunately, I keep getting reports about this thread, so despite the fact that I don't want to, I'm going to have to close this thread out. Thanks for all of your opinions, but if you decide to relocate the discussion, please keep others' feelings in mind when you post. Passion is fine as long as it doesn't become personal attacks on others. Thank you.