NEO Nyzul 2.0

[Fupafighter]

And you're not listening to me. I've heard every suggestion, and my opinion just gets thrown aside because you all want it more "skill based", when that will accomplish nothing but make it too easy. Plain and simple, making it easier for the 25% of the people not succeeding or willing to do this event due to their setups, will ultimately make it way too easy for the 75% of us that don't have a problem with it, and do the current setups. Hell mnk blu dnc rng can be thrown in this event mix, giving it 10/20 of the options for the event. That's still alot more than dyna allows to do it efficiently. The fact that you need 2 sch is BS, but fixing the event will just mean people will still bring sch to guarentee wins. That's not what SE wants. They want this to take time. They want you to level a job that supports their setups.

[Llana_Virren]

Plain and simple, making it easier for the 25% of the people not succeeding or willing to do this event due to their setups, will ultimately make it way too easy for the 75% of us that don't have a problem with it.

Switch your percentages around, there's more than 50% of those who want to or regularly do NII that do not like the current setup. Secondly, and more imprtantly, making it more "skill based" does not make it easier for everyone, and will not make SCHx2 any more of a guarantee than it already is.

You're assuming an across-the-board "easy button" which is not even close to what has been recommended here.

[Fupafighter]

K have your easy mode. That's the only way people will be happy. Do the event for 15 days, and then bitch about how there's nothing to accomplish anymore. Sounds... fun. Apparently no'one likes the grind or effort involved in this game anymore. Here's a fact, only the unskilled and unwilling bitch about stuff not being obtainable on these forums. You're in a static bitching about the event being too luck based, when you JUST said that 2 SCH is a guaranteed win. Why do you care? How would it not make it easy mode? These SCH groups usually don't make 100, because they get stuck on 90-95 because of bad floors, or time out on the boss. Give these groups a lobby for temps, a different easier lamp system, stopping time between floors, adding random 30 second to 1 minute TE. That would make the event freakin 100% win rate basically for all these good groups, unless they get completely shanked on floors (example we got to 96, and the floor was all enemies with king artho and 2 other NMs among 15 other monsters on the floor, all spread out). Flat out, if you don't have a form of haste cap or regain, you will not win this event. Even if you didn't need 2 sch, they would have to take out stuff like lamps, high HP Nms. If you threw in a cor and brd instead of 2 sch, you could possibly win this event you know. Cor help DD and do rolls like bolters/regain and brd with say daurdabla buffing your pty with 3 songs. It's amazing how people aren't even trying different setups, you just all assume it's impossible without 2 sch. Sure your win rate would be alot less with brd cor, but you would still occasionally win. The point is, you can win without 2 sch.

[Llana_Virren]

K have your easy mode. That's the only way people will be happy. Do the event for 15 days, and then bitch about how there's nothing to accomplish anymore. Sounds... fun. Apparently no'one likes the grind or effort involved in this game anymore. Here's a fact, only the unskilled and unwilling bitch about stuff not being obtainable on these forums. You're in a static bitching about the event being too luck based, when you JUST said that 2 SCH is a guaranteed win. Why do you care? How would it not make it easy mode? These SCH groups usually don't make 100, because they get stuck on 90-95 because of bad floors, or time out on the boss. Give these groups a lobby for temps, a different easier lamp system, stopping time between floors, adding random 30 second to 1 minute TE. That would make the event freakin 100% win rate basically for all these good groups, unless they get completely shanked on floors (example we got to 96, and the floor was all enemies with king artho and 2 other NMs among 15 other monsters on the floor, all spread out). Flat out, if you don't have a form of haste cap or regain, you will not win this event. Even if you didn't need 2 sch, they would have to take out stuff like lamps, high HP Nms. If you threw in a cor and brd instead of 2 sch, you could possibly win this event you know. Cor help DD and do rolls like bolters/regain and brd with say daurdabla buffing your pty with 3 songs. It's amazing how people aren't even trying different setups, you just all assume it's impossible without 2 sch. Sure your win rate would be alot less with brd cor, but you would still occasionally win. The point is, you can win without 2 sch.

I am saying that the SCHx2/DDx4 is the only real way to have a chance at the event, not that it is a guaranteed win. As of right now, going with anything less than SCHx2 is just not worth it. But of course, you don't see that. You'd rather have a grind based on luck. A lot of people don't care for luck because luck is the reason why gimp groups can succeed. Of course, if it was skill based, then a lot of these "+2 groups" might start to struggle, and we can't have that!

[Fupafighter]

"Is just not worth it" is an opinion that should not be thrown around. It's "just not worth it to make this relic because it would take me 3 months", "It's just not worth it to make this mythic, because it would take me a year", "It's just not worth it to do nyzle isle uncharted because my win rate would be abysmal", "It's just not worth it to do voidwatch because the drop rates are so low". Get my point? It's opinion on whether or not an event is worth it. If people want the gear that bad, they will do something about it, if not, they don't deserve it. I wanna see video's of people SKILLED AND GEARED try with different setups. I honestly haven't even heard of brd or cor in the event in replacement of sch or other job setups. Basically everyone just says you cannot win without 2 sch.

[Llana_Virren]

"Is just not worth it" is an opinion that should not be thrown around. It's "just not worth it to make this relic because it would take me 3 months", "It's just not worth it to make this mythic, because it would take me a year", "It's just not worth it to do nyzle isle uncharted because my win rate would be abysmal", "It's just not worth it to do voidwatch because the drop rates are so low". Get my point? It's opinion on whether or not an event is worth it. If people want the gear that bad, they will do something about it, if not, they don't deserve it. I wanna see video's of people SKILLED AND GEARED try with different setups. I honestly haven't even heard of brd or cor in the event in replacement of sch or other job setups. Basically everyone just says you cannot win without 2 sch.

People have been asking for vid of the "skilled and geared" try it without using mods and hacks, and we're still waiting on those vids too....

[Dreamin]

People have been asking for vid of the "skilled and geared" try it without using mods and hacks, and we're still waiting on those vids too....

You're talking to a wall up there. Trying to convince those ppl who employs the use of 3rd pt tools to win that their SKILL is mostly from their tools and their tools are lowering the LUCK factor is useless. They dont get it and they still thinks they're SKILLed.

Tanaka likes LUCK over SKILL, that's a fact. That's what the Rep has already told us in other thread. What amazing to me is that Tanaka doesn't understands that for those folks that are willing to use 3rd party TOOLS are lowering the dependency of LUCK and the Reps here are clearly hearing it since some ppl here has already admited to be using tools and they're not doing a damn thing about it.

[Camiie]

K have your easy mode. That's the only way people will be happy. Do the event for 15 days, and then bitch about how there's nothing to accomplish anymore.

The problem is there's nothing to accomplish NOW. Sadly, 15 days worth of content would be an improvement. Look they had a good system with the old Nyzul, and all they had to do was keep that same idea. They decided to go with something that only works for a very small number of people and that left everyone else extremely disappointed, because we kind of expected something for everyone. Admittedly, with Tanaka in charge, we should have expected exactly what we got, but some of us still have a little hope left that bubbles to the surface occasionally.

Sounds... fun. Apparently no one likes the grind or effort involved in this game anymore.

Not the way Tanaka does it, no. I don't mind grinding my way to the top of the tower. I don't mind spending time and effort. I don't like 3, 4, or 5 layers of random between me and my goals. They actually came up with a worse system than the simple low-drop rates of ye olden days which is quite a feat. They may as well rename the event Tanaka's Revenge. "Oh you don't like low drop rates? OK! 100% drop rates, but I'm going to royally screw you on the way up... hard! TAKE THAT! MUHAHAHAHA!"

[Aldersyde]

"Is just not worth it" is an opinion that should not be thrown around. It's "just not worth it to make this relic because it would take me 3 months", "It's just not worth it to make this mythic, because it would take me a year", "It's just not worth it to do nyzle isle uncharted because my win rate would be abysmal", "It's just not worth it to do voidwatch because the drop rates are so low". Get my point? It's opinion on whether or not an event is worth it. If people want the gear that bad, they will do something about it, if not, they don't deserve it. I wanna see video's of people SKILLED AND GEARED try with different setups. I honestly haven't even heard of brd or cor in the event in replacement of sch or other job setups. Basically everyone just says you cannot win without 2 sch.

That is not what he/she means by not worth it. You knew very well that the players who are in the know on how to win the event will only go with a 2 sch setup. Go stand in PJ and shout to make NNI static or do a pickup with brd and cor as your support and see how many of the DDs you need will actually join. Lead the way man! I'm pretty sure you won't get far. The DDs worth their salt will openly laugh at you and the DDs that will join will do so because they have no real knowledge of the event. Once people get it in their heads that there's only one way to do things, they'll do it that one way and no other. You should know this. Stop being obtuse.

I would be personally willing to try it another way but I know right now there's people in my own ls and on my friend list that would not join if I tried to it that way. That's the nature of the beast.

[Fupafighter]

1. I have a static. 2. No'one that I know of has tried it, and I'm sure people will try it mainly because 75% of siren doesn't even know neo nyzle exists. People just gave it a bad rep on day 1 because they couldn't reach 100... Why not try for like say a week and then trash on the setup lol?.......