Thread: NEO Nyzul 2.0

Originally Posted by Fupafighter

So what I got so far is ....

You didn't get anything because you're still running with the same ignorant opinion on NI that you started with.

Let's clarify a few things for you:

1. Luck needs to be reduced. Period. This isn't synthesis here, where "anyone can do it regardless of job". This is an environment in which only a fraction of the jobs in game are viable for. This is not because players are forcing these job combinations. The actual design gives players no other options.

2. Gimp parties have an equal chance to advance as +2 parties. Perhaps this perspective will help: Players with dat-mods and flee hacks do not have an unfair advantage. Players who do not use every available cheat, have an unfair disadvantage. The difference? NI is designed so that a standard player will fail 98% of the time, regardless of skill.

Flee hacked, dat-modded groups are not the "elite." They just have the best chance to win.
This forum has been trying to get this fact in players' heads, like yours:
Tier 1|Success Rate: 0-10?%: The "only real chance" group: Flee-hack, Dat-modded SCHx2, DDx4 setup
Tier 2|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "We're good, but we wont use hacks" group: SCHx2, DDx4 setup
Tier 3|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "We're good, but we're don't have a x2 SCH available" group: SCHx1, DDx4/5, RDM-maybe?
Tier 4|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "Have +1 but no Empy" group: The 10-80% player-base
Tier 5|Success Rate: 0-5%: the "Gimps" you refer to: The bottom 10% of player-base

Do you not see the problem there?

3. Just for the sake of trolling, I hope they some day add an event that drops only 100-peice currencies, HMPx50s, and the like, but only works for pet-jobs. So you can only go as BST, SMN, DRG or PUP. Anything damage dealt by the actual player instead of the pet instantly full-cure and rages the mobs. Any player without a pet out incurs a 500HP/tic poison effect. Oh, and you can only do this event once a RL-week. Let it also drop the items needed to "upgrade" jobs to their final stages, like Wizards, Magus, Mystic Knight, etc. Just to troll everyone who says you should "only go as specific jobs, unless you want to be gimp". That's what NI is. This is a "SCHx2, DDx4 or GTFO" event, which contradicts the "customization ethos" behind FFXI, and makes players unhappy.

Maybe there are a few (*cough, cheaters) who are happy with keeping NI the way it is. But the majority of players do not enjoy the way NI is configured, and a large number of these people are not "gimp" by any means. They simply do not subscribe to the notion that SCHx2, DDx4 should be the only acceptable way to enjoy the content.

Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

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Let's clarify a few things for you:

1. Luck needs to be reduced. Period. This isn't synthesis here, where "anyone can do it regardless of job". This is an environment in which only a fraction of the jobs in game are viable for. This is not because players are forcing these job combinations. The actual design gives players no other options.

2. Gimp parties have an equal chance to advance as +2 parties. Perhaps this perspective will help: Players with dat-mods do not have an unfair advantage. Players who do not use every available cheat, have an unfair disadvantage. The difference? NI is designed so that a standard player will fail 90% of the time, regardless of skill.

dat-modded groups are not the "elite." They just have the best chance to win.*only elite players in this game would be any legion ls's who are constantly clearing shit*
This forum has been trying to get this fact in players' heads, like yours:

Tier 1|Success Rate: 40-60?%: The "only real chance" group: Dat-modded SCHx2,Heavy DDx4 setup *relics/empys/mythics*
Tier 2|Success Rate: 20-10%: The "We're good, but we wont use hacks" group: SCHx2, Heavy DDx4 setup
Tier 3|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "We're good, but we're don't have a x2 SCH available" group: SCHx1, DDx4/5, RDM-maybe? * waste of time to try it atm*
Tier 4|Success Rate: 0-5%: The "Have +1 but no Empy" group: The 10-80% player-base * see 3*
Tier 5|Success Rate: 0-5%: the "Gimps" you refer to: The bottom 10% of player-base


Maybe there are a few (*cough, cheaters) who are happy with keeping NI the way it is. * If anyone is "happy" its people selling gear for shit tons of money but even they have to know shit is unbalanced. But the majority of players do not enjoy the way NI is configured, and a large number of these people are not "gimp" by any means. They simply do not subscribe to the notion that SCHx2, DDx4 should be the only acceptable way to enjoy the content.

Fixed to reflect how i feel!.

Using BG as the focal point of the "everyone who wins is cheaters" - when the event first came out i do know alot of people who were winning JP or NA *they cheat JUST as much* , used flee tools , walked through walls to save alot of time. But alot of that stopped once the first group posted getting banned then you had the JP's GMing every person / group they saw enter NI. My groups so paranoid about that shit we make damn sure no ones flee botting or walking through shit because its unnecessary and the GM's are banning whole groups for even catching 1 person doing it.

Originally Posted by Gokku

Fixed to reflect how i feel!.

Using BG as the focal point of the "everyone who wins is cheaters" - when the event first came out i do know alot of people who were winning JP or NA *they cheat JUST as much* , used flee tools , walked through walls to save alot of time. But alot of that stopped once the first group posted getting banned then you had the JP's GMing every person / group they saw enter NI. My groups so paranoid about that shit we make damn sure no ones flee botting or walking through shit because its unnecessary and the GM's are banning whole groups for even catching 1 person doing it.

Don't "fix" (ie. alter) a quote, it is misleading and rude. Just use your own post.

Also, no one is saying "everyone who wins is cheating." The issue is that only the cheaters have a worth-while shot at winning. Let's not lose perspective.

So much obvious trolling in this thread...
To anyone saying a gimp can get this gear if they're lucky, they can't. It takes skill. Winning may rely on luck sometimes, but no amount of luck replaces skill in NNI. Yes, it sucks you need to 2 hour twice for it, but if you want the gear you'll do it. Maybe it'll change someday, but we all have to deal with it for now.
Your DD jobs can be flexible if they're very skilled, it doesn't always have to be SAM/WAR/DRK/DRG/MNK (I've won with a nin and dnc). I'd try and stick to powder boots jobs though.
As for order floors, they're not as bad as everyone complains and they shouldn't break your run if everyone's knows what they're doing and you have an easy floor to make up for that time.
Order lamps:
Have everyone hit a lamp as soon as they find one. / in chat as soon as you hit your lamp. Someone managing lamp order take note of the order lamps are hit in. Any lamp that stays on was hit in the right order. Any that turned off are in the wrong order. Change around the ones in the wrong order and repeat. Tell everyone the order and have them / when they hit their lamp. It shouldn't take more than 10-15 seconds to go through 1 lamp order guess. The cool down on order lamps isn't as bad as same time and even with 5 lamps the MOST guesses you'll have are 5, and that's if you're very unlucky. Obviously 2 or 3 of these floors would ruin your run, but 1 is manageable and still possible to win.

So the people crying want everything easy? So you want SE to give you floor 100 with .0001% drop rates and no KI for win instead? I guess you rather have that than using the strats others already provided for you. k