NEO Nyzul 2.0

[wish12oz]

Yeah I admit watching youtube while playing FFXI, is that a problem ? Go back to clearing 28 floor without cheat moron. Are the devs that naive ?

You also admitted to using a parser, which is a third party program and against the TOS as much as everything you're advocating so strongly against, take your double standard and get lost moron.

[Registeel]

Yeah I admit watching youtube while playing FFXI, is that a problem ? Go back to clearing 28 floor without cheat moron. Are the devs that naive ?

I wouldn't be so hasty as to call someone who's cleared this content a moron.

Sadly my friend and I don't really have anyone to do Nyzul Uncharted with at the current time. My friend might have to level SCH, then we'll have to hope good people are looking for a BLU + SCH, since I don't have high hopes for a good turnout via Jeuno shouts.

[Gokku]

actually jeuno shouts will get you a ton of tells its a matter of shifting though the trash players finding the good ones setting up times and everyone showing , best bet get 3 schs and 8 DD total take them first come first serve for whos on time with the date set post shouting.

[Afania]

Honestly though, those who complained about Neo Nyzul, have you ever even try to do it a few times with proper setup/strat and see how many floor you can clear? By proper setup I mean using jobs like DRKx4 SCH x2, powder boot rotate, double body boost/sprinter, and no death nor d/c in entire run etc. Or you just randomly come here and complained because it seems impossible? With proper setup/gear/skill and aggressive use with powder boots, it is still possible to clear 16 floor with 0 3rd pt tool, just that majority of player would rather use it since 80% of player base already been using windower, so turning on fillmode is just something ppl can do easily without crossing another line.

And those talks about cheats is pretty hilarious, ppl been *cheating* in FFXI all the time, ppl *cheat* in VW, *cheat* in dyna, *cheat* in abby, I'm not even talking about old HNM camping/botting. Parser, extended macro, spell cast, unless you only pt with maybe 3 ppl in this game, it's near impossible to avoid pt with someone who *cheats* in every single event including easiest abby. Those who claim they don't cheat and don't use 3rd pt tool, can you also claim that you never pt with another player that uses windower?

So why suddenly double standard? Fillmode is just same thing as extended macro and parser, nothing more, nothing less. However compare with other events from 75 to nowadays(which ppl still use cheat in), Nyzul uncharted certainly has best reward/effort ratio, look at how many ppl 15/15 already, no other event in this game gives gear this fast except maybe Abby, which ppl still cheat with extended macro regardless.

[scaevola]

Even if you're going suggest there's no difference between extended macros/spellcast, which don't actually let you do anything you couldn't already, and fillmode/dat-swapping, which very much do*, merely acknowledging that stuff like fillmode and dat-swapping is straight-up cheating doesn't mean the people saying so in this thread begrudge the people using them; it's just setting up the premise of the main point of all these Nyzul threads: if people can't or won't clear Nyzul without cheating, there is something wrong with Nyzul.


*and there may indeed not be a difference; certainly I'm not interested in arguing about it

[Vortex]

Honestly though, those who complained about Neo Nyzul, have you ever even try to do it a few times with proper setup/strat and see how many floor you can clear? By proper setup I mean using jobs like DRKx4 SCH x2, powder boot rotate, double body boost/sprinter, and no death nor d/c in entire run etc. Or you just randomly come here and complained because it seems impossible? With proper setup/gear/skill and aggressive use with powder boots, it is still possible to clear 16 floor with 0 3rd pt tool, just that majority of player would rather use it since 80% of player base already been using windower, so turning on fillmode is just something ppl can do easily without crossing another line.

And those talks about cheats is pretty hilarious, ppl been *cheating* in FFXI all the time, ppl *cheat* in VW, *cheat* in dyna, *cheat* in abby, I'm not even talking about old HNM camping/botting. Parser, extended macro, spell cast, unless you only pt with maybe 3 ppl in this game, it's near impossible to avoid pt with someone who *cheats* in every single event including easiest abby. Those who claim they don't cheat and don't use 3rd pt tool, can you also claim that you never pt with another player that uses windower?

So why suddenly double standard? Fillmode is just same thing as extended macro and parser, nothing more, nothing less. However compare with other events from 75 to nowadays(which ppl still use cheat in), Nyzul uncharted certainly has best reward/effort ratio, look at how many ppl 15/15 already, no other event in this game gives gear this fast except maybe Abby, which ppl still cheat with extended macro regardless.

As it's been stated, it requires alot of luck, but you also need skill at some point, peopel having bad luck are getting mad. frusration is not uncommon.

[saevel]

As it's been stated, it requires alot of luck, but you also need skill at some point, peopel having bad luck are getting mad. frusration is not uncommon.

*Luck* is an understatement. It's all time dependent, you get in order poles and not only must you determine how many poles there are but then sift through multiple attempts to find the correct sequence. You get specified enemy, you must then run around /checking the mobs to find the ~1~ that is ITG. Enemy leader isn't that hard but you still must run around looking for them. All at once poles you must run around look for, and kill all requires you to find every mob on the floor. When your talking 60~90s or less to clear each floor (you waste some time in lobby and you must still kill the boss and cast lots) all that running around adds up quick.

Notice a repeating pattern, lots of running around looking for stuff. The level layouts tend to be large and maze like, without any form of in-game map to guide you. You waste tons of time just running around the mazes, much less going all the way to that back corner that requires you to go three rooms over just to reach. Those "cheats" people keep mentioning remove large amounts of that wasted time, no need to look for anything, just do a quick 360 and note everything's location. You can tell which specified enemy is it, where the enemy leader is, where all the mobs are, and where all the poles are and if their order / same time or check point. You can also immediately discern the proper order and have someone at each pole without needing to waste time running around.

Even with all that, an experienced skilled group (with no other TPA) will have a 50/50 win / loss rate due to random BS. People without those are looking at a 5~10% clear rate, or about one in 10~12. At that point in time it might be faster to just farm floor 80's, which is how the event was designed anyway.

[Afania]

Even if you're going suggest there's no difference between extended macros/spellcast, which don't actually let you do anything you couldn't already, and fillmode/dat-swapping, which very much do*, merely acknowledging that stuff like fillmode and dat-swapping is straight-up cheating doesn't mean the people saying so in this thread begrudge the people using them; it's just setting up the premise of the main point of all these Nyzul threads: if people can't or won't clear Nyzul without cheating, there is something wrong with Nyzul.

A lot of reason why there aren't many pt reported to clear with completely legit pt is because majority of player base already been using windower, so fillmode on is really just one key away. It's actually harder to find 6 completely legit player than a few windower user pt nowadays. It's not because it's not possible to clear without windower, but because many ppl would rather go for the easy route with higher success rate when majority of players uses windower. Say if a completely legit pt has 10% win rate on F100, this win rate may be what's intended and nothing wrong with it....1 month for 1 god tier armor, which is just right for a MMORPG. Using cheats just makes it faster.

Also a completely legit pt can still clear F80 easily, after 25 clear times you can get F100 armor too.

Honestly though, completely legit pt still has a chance to get F100 gear, just because 3rd pt tool user get it faster, doesn't mean there is something wrong. The difficulty of Nyzul V2 is just fine, it's already one of the fastest gear capping event in FFXI's history. Or you won't be happy until all gears are handed to you in your dbox in 5 days?

Also I can't do what extended macro/spellcast user do without windower(since I don't use windower). Extended macro user swap gear with 1 button, I can't unless I click 2~3 times. Spellcast user doesn't shoot their QD bullet, I do if I forget to click ammo macro.

[saevel]

A lot of reason why there aren't many pt reported to clear with completely legit pt is because majority of player base already been using windower, so fillmode on is really just one key away. It's actually harder to find 6 completely legit player than a few windower user pt nowadays. It's not because it's not possible to clear without windower, but because many ppl would rather go for the easy route with higher success rate when majority of players uses windower. Say if a completely legit pt has 10% win rate on F100, this win rate may be what's intended and nothing wrong with it....1 month for 1 god tier armor, which is just right for a MMORPG. Using cheats just makes it faster.

Also a completely legit pt can still clear F80 easily, after 25 clear times you can get F100 armor too.

Honestly though, completely legit pt still has a chance to get F100 gear, just because 3rd pt tool user get it faster, doesn't mean there is something wrong. The difficulty of Nyzul V2 is just fine, it's already one of the fastest gear capping event in FFXI's history. Or you won't be happy until all gears are handed to you in your dbox in 5 days?

Also I can't do what extended macro/spellcast user do without windower(since I don't use windower). Extended macro user swap gear with 1 button, I can't unless I click 2~3 times. Spellcast user doesn't shoot their QD bullet, I do if I forget to click ammo macro.

Umm no, just no.

Of the "windower" users I know of, only about a dozen actually knew what "fillmode" even was, most are clueless. Most of them don't even know how spellcast works nor how to write XML, extended macros seem to be a pretty universal thing, still many screw that up too.

The reason so few wins happen without TPA / hacks is the content was designed to not be won. You are supposed to farm floor 60/80 for gear, all the while whispering about how great it would be to get floor 100 and standing in awe at those players who had the random luck to get floor 100 once out of ten tries. Of course players being players, we'll ALWAYS find the fastest way to maximize loot acquisition. Why run the risk of wasting 10~12 runs, or about 2~3 months to get 1 piece, when with little effort you can guarantee at least one piece per month (1/4 for a weekly static) and with a little more effort you can guarantee one piece per week if not more.

There is no magic strategy, no super secret ninja skills that can only be learned in the hollow halls accessed to only the few who know the secret handshake. It's plain RNG based, mind as well have a goblin outside that you can talk to once per day and rolls a dice. On a 1~19 you get nothing, on a natural 20 you get a piece of Nyzule 100 gear. Of course persistent players can't modify the goblins roll, they can modify the client.

[Ophannus]

Meh I did Nyzul the other day with MNK MNK WAR WAR SCH SCH, didn't win but got to floor 90-98ish three times(but we were slow on lamp floors) probably could have gotten to 100 if we invested in sprinter drinksx2 and powder boots.