NEO Nyzul 2.0

[Demon6324236]

Its fairly simple, as I said, there are smart, logical rules, and stupid, illogical rules. "No botting, no flee hacking, no creating gear out of thin air." these are logical, in real life "No killing, no fighting, no stealing" again, logical. "No improving our game in places we refuse to make changes due to the fact we do not wish to change old and out dated systems." This, is illogical, improvement is good, never bad, thats why it is called improvement. In real life, you have "You can not marry someone you love because to bad for you, they have a penis just like you do" again, illogical, some rules are smart, some are not. Yes, I have every reason and right to my opinion on these rules. And I will openly break any rule of which has no true reason to exist.

To say I cannot improve means I am supposed to leave it in a worse state, however this is foolish, that is to say rather than put in extra support on a building that is slowly falling apart, I should just let it fall and break into lil tiny pieces. Using mugging someone as an example is stupid, mugging someone I am taking something they earned away from them, and giving it to myself. I am not asking take macros away from Xbox & PS2 players, and then give all the PC players all 18 slots to ourselves >:D no, I am saying I want everyone, yes, everyone, to have more spots. Now, this is something SE does not want to do, like Enmity, (which you failed to see my point on) they see it as an old system they want to leave alone. That is bad, you should fix problems, not let them go and get worse. Should I leave myself without extra spots for macros because PS2 and Xbox players cant have it? No, just like if me & a friend go buy 2 icecream cones and they drop theirs, I'm not just gonna throw mine on the ground and say "whoops" and move on, I already licked mine so I doubt you want to do anything like share it or take my cone, so Imma eat mine. I cant give you more spots, if I could, rest assured I would, but I cant, I can give myself more though, and Ill be damned if Imma play by some rules that make no sense so if anything SE will try to shut us up with a lame excuse like...

We are unable to give you more macro spaces due to limitations brought on by the Playstation 2s unable to run that many lines of code in a short time.

You can play by your flawed rules in the reality that your doing the right thing. I will be enjoying my game how it should be, improved, in the real world where sometimes rules, are bad, and those rules, can, and should be broken, and broken things, are improved upon.

Edit:Sorry, I feel obligated to reply to people when I feel they don't understand something I say and when they seem ignorant to the truth of things, I was hoping you would understand my words and leave it alone rather than reply in a manner that I find stupid and or insulting.

[MarkovChain]

Please find were i said i never used 3rd party. i do know ive done every run without a flee bot though.

I know all the idiots from BG (like you) that comes HERE and the DEVs think "flee hacks" when I say "you cannot win without cheating". But no, I explicitely explained that I was targetting "seing through walls" and "changing lamp names to win 100% as well as to know how many lamps there are". So you are admitting you cheated you nyzul gear, but yet you come to the thread throwing random "you suck, I'm back for 2 months and I already have it", so what was your point again ? Mr Troll. I see you already reported the thread into the internet police lol. Point is you are agreing with me so stop arguing against. The thread might end up fixing the lack of windower for the game or at the very least fixing nyzul which we all would like.


If the devs don't clearly answer on the 2 cheats I explained above ( there are probably others like seeing mobs from very far), we will all conclude that this event is expected to be cleared with windower and dat mods.

[user201108211515]

"No improving our game in places we refuse to make changes due to the fact we do not wish to change old and out dated systems."

but I cant, I can give myself more though, and Ill be damned if Imma play by some rules that make no sense so if anything SE will try to shut us up with a lame excuse like...

More lame excuses indeed. This is you demanding something and then throwing a hissy fit when you dont get your way. Then you take it a step further and just take what you feel you are owed. When in fact you take away from the integrity of the game. Untill such time that everyone has access to 16 line macros. anyone not using 6 line macros would infact be cheating. You do not live in some magical grey area where rules you dont like dont apply to you.

[Zerich]

When did this thread go from a conversation about nyzul, to Gimpswhowanttonerfeverythingbuttheirjobs v. Sanepeople?

[Demon6324236]

This is you demanding something and then throwing a hissy fit when you dont get your way. Then you take it a step further and just take what you feel you are owed.

I feel everyone is owed content and interface that is equal to the money we are putting into this game, we pay for it each month, and so far we keep getting told they will fix nothing, add small things that hardly matter because of things like this thread. A thread to say "Hey look SE, this shit ain't working!" because content you cannot complete might as well not exist, its like putting in a boss fight you literally cant win, whats the point? You want me to die a bunch just to prove a point? But thats what they did, I don't like it, I complain about it, and I wont cheat to beat it because I don't care, Ill give them time. Macros however, are 10 years old, and need fixed, you don't leave a broken down car that can drive some, but only at 30miles a hour and with 2 flat tires in your drive way, you get that shit fixed, you take a few weeks or months? Thats understandable, but 10 years? Come on, at that point you just say fuck it and you know your not fixing it.

When in fact you take away from the integrity of the game. Untill such time that everyone has access to 16 line macros. anyone not using 6 line macros would infact be cheating. You do not live in some magical grey area where rules you dont like dont apply to you.

No, I don't, rules apply to me just as much as you, and I admit yes, I am doing something you can't, so yes, by your meaning I guess I'm cheating. You want to call fixing a 10 year old problem with the game cheating, do it, its still fixing it. You don't seem to get it, these rules are here to stop botting, .dat cheating, and yes, some of the shit found in windower plug-ins. But I am sure it was never meant to block players from fixing up something in this game. Thats just the player base helping to fix some of the problems the game has, working together with SE in a way to help them, and help ourselves. I don't do anything I think of as cheating in this game, I play it the same as everyone else, as I said, I removed everything from Windower. It looks like yours and everyone else's FFXI normally does, my only difference is, instead of having my macros limited to 6 lines, its got 1 line that says to look in a folder on my PC, and do that, which has 16 lines of text saying what my macro should, but cant.

When you convince SE to stop ignoring the player base for 10 years about a simple problem that would probably take little effort to fix other than it would make people playing have to redo some macros (Oh noes I have to redo some macros because they made them better D:) Ill stop "cheating", till then, get off everyones back. Cheating is breaking a rule to a game, in most cases a bad thing when it is detrimental to the other players, this isn't, its advantageous to some, and meaningless to others, which means it isn't hurting you, it is only helping me. If you have 6, and I have 6, then someone walks over and gives me 10, I have 16, this does not take away from your 6. You still have 6, thus you are not hurt, however I have 16, I am assisted. When this game becomes PvP savvy, yes, I will be cheating because I will have a competitive advantage, (not really because the majority of macros are 100% worthless in PvP due to gear swap restrictions) till then, me having a better macro setup is no different than saying you use macros, some people don't know how to use macros, so until you teach every player on this game to use them, don't use them, its cheating!



And just to say, as I said before, you cannot say I suck at a game or I am unskilled because I choose to improve my performance or my interface of a game. You can call me lazy, that would be the correct term I think for someone who would rather only hit 1 button instead of 3, or you can call them efficient, which ever you choose. The fact I wish to use a better system doesn't mean I'm worse at the game, simply that I do something that makes me do less work to do simple actions, such as weapon skill, you want me to get 100% TP, hit 3 macros, hit 2 buttons to WS, and then hit 3 more to go back to TPing, do you realize how stupid that is and sounds?

[Demon6324236]

When did this thread go from a conversation about nyzul, to Gimps/who/want/to/nerf/everything/but/their/jobs v. Sane/people?

(Edited quote so it doesn't make my head hurt trying to read it ;>_>)
I think it was page 7 post 70, seemed to be when the arguing over cheating started if thats what you meant, just job nerfing was about pages 6~7 but didn't last very long.

[MarkovChain]

Banning cheaters in nyzul will never happen except for flee hacks. Lamp name changing is undetectable, and fillmode is undetectable. So the hypothesis of "salvage ban"-like mass bannings can't possibly happen. Also the discussion derailed a bit on windower and windower macro. I think they are a good thing that the game should have had for long BUT this clearly doesn't affect Neo Nyzul 2.0, because as I explained most problems were changing lamp names (doesn't require windower but only a text editor..) and fillmode (does require windower).

To the DEVS reading the thread, that are not convinced people cheat their way to Floor 100 I reiterate my suggestion :

Analyze all F100 winning runs, and out of all those run examine the number of runs that had a "lamp order" objective. Out of all those run, calculate the proportion where people went 1/1 on guessing the correct order. I'll promise I'll shut up if you don't find out 100%. That means two things

* Either guessing all "lamp order" floors on the first time is required to win a NEO-Nyzul 2.0, in which case you all should be fired for suggesting such a trash event.
* Either everyone cheats.

Up to you to guess which it is, I think it's the second explanation ^^

[wish12oz]

I encourage everyone saying Nyzul's fine, like I did Kaerin several weeks ago when she claimed a WAR could hit Floor 100 solo with full buffs, to post videos of their dat-swapless, fillmode-less, multiple-attempts-to-figure-out-lamp-order Floor 100 clears that they're getting enough to be 15/15 on gear like six weeks ago.

Still waiting, Kaerin! (b^^)b

I never said I would post a video, and there's no need to, math will tell you all you need to know.

The truth is if you can clear floors with an average time of 2 minutes, this gives you a 15 floor per run average, you only need to average 6.6 floors per jump to reach 100 and win. Any half decent group will easily meet that standard. Considering the average is 5.5, this is actually just a bit above average, but it will really only happen maybe 5-10% of the time. But seriously, even at 5-10% win rate, or you can still get this gear. That's still at least 1 piece of very good gear every other week, that only requires 30~ min of effort every day.

If you can push your average floors from 15 to 16-17, which is just under 2 min per floor average, which is amazingly easy to do, you will get that one piece of gear every week. By FFXI standards, that's absolutely amazing, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves for not trying to get it.

And seriously, people are still complaining about windower? Didn't SE just come out and say they were redesigning and completely overhauling the entire PC user interface for the game and letting people basically make windower plug ins that will function inside the actual game without windower?

[Demon6324236]

Banning cheaters in nyzul will never happen except for flee hacks. Lamp name changing is undetectable, and fillmode is undetectable. So the hypothesis of "salvage ban"-like mass bannings can't possibly happen. Also the discussion derailed a bit on windower and windower macro. I think they are a good thing that the game should have had for long BUT this clearly doesn't affect Neo Nyzul 2.0, because as I explained most problems were changing lamp names (doesn't require windower but only a text editor..) and fillmode (does require windower).

To the DEVS reading the thread, that are not convinced people cheat their way to Floor 100 I reiterate my suggestion :

Analyze all F100 winning runs, and out of all those run examine the number of runs that had a "lamp order" objective. Out of all those run, calculate the proportion where people went 1/1 on guessing the correct order. I'll promise I'll shut up if you don't find out 100%. That means two things

* Either guessing all "lamp order" floors on the first time is required to win a NEO-Nyzul 2.0, in which case you all should be fired for suggesting such a trash event.
* Either everyone cheats.

Up to you to guess which it is, I think it's the second explanation ^^

Actually I wouldn't say 100%, there are actually lucky times, or if everyone is cheating, people can be stupid and fuck it up, not that it would or wouldn't break the run just that I would say you might want to make that an 80~100% or so, seeing as that is still incredibly unlikely.

[Demon6324236]

I never said I would post a video, and there's no need to, math will tell you all you need to know.

The truth is if you can clear floors with an average time of 2 minutes, this gives you a 15 floor per run average, you only need to average 6.6 floors per jump to reach 100 and win. Any half decent group will easily meet that standard. Considering the average is 5.5, this is actually just a bit above average, but it will really only happen maybe 5-10% of the time. But seriously, even at 5-10% win rate, or you can still get this gear. That's still at least 1 piece of very good gear every other week, that only requires 30~ min of effort every day.

If you can push your average floors from 15 to 16-17, which is just under 2 min per floor average, which is amazingly easy to do, you will get that one piece of gear every week. By FFXI standards, that's absolutely amazing, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves for not trying to get it.

And seriously, people are still complaining about windower? Didn't SE just come out and say they were redesigning and completely overhauling the entire PC user interface for the game and letting people basically make windower plug ins that will function inside the actual game without windower?

I wouldn't know, I never saw it, but if so thats cool, so long as they don't screw it up it might be the 1st thing SE has done smart since making Abyssea have Effort=Reward ^_^