NIN combinations

[Llana_Virren]

Wish12oz needs to stop smoking crack during events if the last post is supposed to be of any merit.

/sch > /blm in most events.

/sch provides faster casting time (which means gear does not need to be devoted to casting speeds, and can focus on potency/efficiency).

/sch increases skills by a helluva lot more than "10 points" with the exception of oh, say Enhancing Magic. But then again, Dark Arts + Drain/Aspir must be behond his understanding. And before you say "why would a WHM need those spells anyway" I say this: do you always have a BLM or RDM/blm around to proc yellow on dark magic?

/sch is the superior subjob for WHM and it will continue to be for some time. Similar to the "NIN is /war only" fallacy, /sch is not the only decent subjob for WHM, but it is arguably the most beneficial in most circumstances.

Learn2play before you spew nonsense. Too many good players have been carrying your dead weight around and letting you think you know what you're talking about.

V/R

White Mages everywhere

The argument of "you can do all of that with gear" also applies in this argument: you don't need a WHM to go /blm for Warp... you can get Warp with gear. (*cough* Warp Cudgel *cough*)

[Economizer]

The argument of "you can do all of that with gear" also applies in this argument

Except it doesn't apply. You can't cap out Enhancing Magic with just gear.

• C+ Enhancing
  +378
• Light Arts (B+ Enhancing)
  +26 (404)
• Merits
  +16
• Main
  Beneficus - +15, +5 MDB
• Head
  Orison Cap +2 - AF3 Set Bonus
  Zenith Crown +1 - +8
• Neck
  Colossus's Torque - +7 (10)
• Ear
  Augmenting Earring - +3
• Ear
  Aptus Earring - +2
• Body
  Orison Bliaud +2 - +10 MDB, AF3 Set Bonus
  Anhur Robe - +12
• Hands
  Orison Mitts +2 - AF3 Set Bonus
  Ayao's Gages - +10
  Augur's Gloves - +5
• Back
  Merciful Cape - +5
• Waist
  Olympus Sash - +5
• Legs
  Cleric's pantaloons +2 - +18, +25 Barspell Resist
  Orison Pantaloons +2 - AF3 Set Bonus
• Feet
  Orison Duckbills +2 - +20, AF3 set bonus

The first thing I'd like readers to note is that even with a perfect gear set (which isn't easy to get, btw) you'll still be pulling below that magic 500 even if you don't use 4/5 AF3 set bonus for gear (i.e. gimp WHM) if you don't have Light Arts. Basically, you can't do it with gear.

The second thing I'd like to point out is that a perfect barspell set also requires /SCH. Considering that magic defense bonus boosts are a White Mage's trump card over other healers, I'd imagine that you'd want to get as close to a perfect set as possible, and that's only possible with /SCH. I'd say good luck making up 26 points of Enhancing Magic without digging into your MDB and AF3 bonuses but it simply isn't possible.

Not even knowing what is possible while arguing that it is as part of your reasoning certainly lends to the phrase "learn to play" quite well...

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If different play styles weren't right then we probably wouldn't have sub jobs, White Mages would just get Light Arts in the first place and Ninjas would get Sambas in the first place.

Also, if anyone is even reading this thread for sub job combos for Ninja anymore, here is a fun one to try out: NIN/PLD. Obviously you'll still be Dual Wielding, and you lose a bit of melee strength compared to NIN/DRK (which is probably the most similar sub combo), but you still get access to Sanguine Blade, and other methods to heal yourself like /DRK, but you get Flash, Auto-Refresh, Resist Sleep, Shell II, and Sentinel, making it a more defensive combination in certain situations, particularly for Stun resistant mobs (or if you're willing to drop your TP to macro in a shield momentarily to bash).

[Llana_Virren]

Econ, you misunderstood. I was using wish's own "use your gear for recast timer" argument of saying he could use his gear for warp (via cudgel). He seems convinced that nothing but /blm is useful for WHM; WHM should never use anything other than /blm (because /sch and /rdm only provide additional MP, supposedly); and that equipment will do everything /sch can.

Obviously, for WHMs especially (as I am a devoted WHM), the benefit of /sch reaches beyond what gear alone can provide, and I appreciate that you understand that.

On topic, I've seen a few NIN go /pld for the reasons you've added. Really, sometimes it's beneficial to chose a subjob that doesn't compliment your primary, just to make certain things harder and thereby test your mettle. Otherwise you'll find yourself in the crowd of DDs crying that they keep dying due to paralyze/stun/amnesia (but couldn't be bothered to use screens) or can't hold hate, get the WHM killed, and then complain that they can't heal themselves (no potions, etc).

The tragedy is that MMOs allow bad players to syphon off the good ones, and for idiots to survive by the good graces of exceptional support crews, like the BRDs and RDMs that did 99% of the work on ToAU parties.

[wish12oz]

/sch provides faster casting time (which means gear does not need to be devoted to casting speeds, and can focus on potency/efficiency).

I stopped reading here, you obviously have no idea how to gear swap and it's pointless to continue this discussion.

[Llana_Virren]

I stopped reading here, you obviously have no idea how to gear swap and it's pointless to continue this discussion.

Try reading more, even if it hurts your pride. You're only denying yourself an education on how WHM works.

Here's the problem: you have no idea how gear works. When you can only carry 80 items in your inventory, you cannot fit 93 items into your macros. Melee don't have this problem; mages do.

/sch saves me inventory space without sacrificing effectiveness. Just like /blm lets a WHM save -you- inventory space. The only difference is that a WHM/sch saves more inventory spaces than WHM/blm does, which was (one of) your original nitpicks... "precious inventory spaces."

Can mages cap out casting time reductions and recast timers without SCH? Yes. Does /sch allow us to not need the excess equipment required for this to work? Yes.

Learn2read, Learn2mage, or gtfo of FFXI before you hurt yourself.