NIN combinations

[wish12oz]

Also, all his arguments are paradoxical. He keeps saying that NIN's only purpose is to DD and if you want something else, you should level another job. However, NIN itself is a sucky DD, and is thus a bad choice for that particular scenario. So why come /WAR to boost NIN's DD capabilities when you could just as well switch to WAR/ (and level it first, if you don't have it already, as that was his argument)? That makes NIN itself useless and playing it is a waste of time, which is ironic as he seems to have it set as his main job on the forum display.

OMG, you totally get it!
Wanna see a SS I just posted on BG?

It was in refference to me talking about how I just got a second Valkyrie breastplate, the only 2 on the whole server (for about 12 hours, Xdark managed to finally get one too, grats to him.

500~ more plates and both Ukons will be 99 as well.

EDIT::: But seriously, NIN is bad enough as it is, my WAR does 4x-5x the damage my NIN does, why gimp yourself further by using a subpar SJ on a subpar job? And for the the WHM debate, what does RDM or SCH offer? Everything they do comes down to 'it gives you more MP' while BLM gives you the ability to cast stun and cast D2, which is far superior because MP isn't an issue for any event that there is to do in the game right now, and if your WHMs are running out, you're playing poorly. The only event when anything beyond refresh gear is even useful is legion, and you should have at least a RDM casting refresh 2 on you there, which makes sublimation and refresh 1 from /rdm both useless.

EDIT#2:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/251704
Posting this link in case people dont know what the set is.

[Behemothx]

What's with you and /blm, dude get an instant warp already. It's MORE EFFICIENT AND YOU'RE DOIN IT WRONG!

[Dragoy]

Have to agree with Behemothx on warp-scrolls being efficient. :b

But yeah, in short, I am with Arcon here. Not everyone do things your way, and it does not mean they suck at the game. No, really! A game should be fun, and not everyone will find things fun like you do, as I mentioned in another thread. People like to challenge themselves by soloing, or tackling things with a friend or few. In these situations, it is often a lot more efficient to sacrifice on the damage output and go with a more supportive support jobs and all that.

I'm sure you agree.

It seems to me you are only talking about situations where you can utilize several jobs and whatnot, and while this might be the one and only 'correct' way for you, it just isn't for everyone. It's like opinions; you know how those are, I'd bet. ^^;

Personally for the topic, I'm usually with the boring /WAR for the sheer damage but that is only because I more than often have a WHM to keep me up. If it's not that, then /DNC most often for the Stun capability, and/or the extra cure option depending of what I'm doing (these events usually consists of 2-4 characters as a whole).


Blubb ! !! !

[wish12oz]

Have to agree with Behemothx on warp-scrolls being efficient. :b

Giving up gil and inventory for warp isn't useful when you don't need to, especially inventory. Maybe you guys should get good TP sets, an MDT set, PDT set, WS sets, a ninjutsu set (for VW), proc weapons (for VW and abyssea) and tools, then come back and tell me how awesome -1 inventory is.

While you're at it, why don't you list what SCH and RDM provide aside from more MP and provide evidence that extra MP is needed. If you can't even do that than I win by default because you're conceding to my point that extra MP isn't useful, while +1 inventory is always useful. Just saying X is better than Y isn't going to cut it, I have stated why BLM is better, but have yet to see anyone say anything about SCH or RDM except lolusonoob! and the like. Argue against my points or the validity of your own opinion or GTFO.


EDIT:::
Seriously, how did I miss this?

When did you become the new Pchan? He's the only other person I've seen spew such bullshit before.

The new Pchan? Pchan might say silly things sometimes, and do dumb stuff, but he's still better than 99% of the rest of you scrubs.

[Arcon]

While you're at it, why don't you list what SCH and RDM provide aside from more MP [..]

AoE buffs, faster casting and recast times.

[..] and provide evidence that extra MP is needed.

In Salvage it has come in very handy. Would take me a lot longer if I had to rest with no means of Refresh, would probably even time out if I tried to clear everything, which means I'd have to cut corners to finish, thus gimping my Alex yield per session.

The new Pchan? Pchan might say silly things sometimes, and do dumb stuff, but he's still better than 99% of the rest of you scrubs.

That fits, as I'm not criticizing your (or his) play style, but your argumentation. You're not objectively wrong with anything you said. Same as Pchan's "MNK only" attitude, you don't seem to understand what people are even playing for. It's not just to throw x MNKs, 1 SMN and 1 SCH at everything and see how fast you can down it. Personally I love going out and try to solo NMs just to see if I can do it. It has nothing at all to do with efficiency. I know it would be easier if I got a bunch of friends to come out with me. That's completely beside the point. I normally hate the "it's my 12.95" argument, because people use it to justify every bad behavior of theirs, but in this case it works, because this really is a matter of opinion. No one is saying you're wrong. We're just disagreeing with you. Everyone knows /WAR is NIN's best DD choice, but not all people go that route. And if you insist that that's "wrong", then you just don't get it.

[Shadowsong]

Methinks someone has lost sight of what a "game" is

[Neisan_Quetz]

Don't need /sch or /rdm in salvage. You can do that /thf on Whm. AoE buffs only applies to the pt that doesn't have a whm and most people bring at least 2 anyway... most of whm's native buffs are AoE anyway. AoE stoneskin is pretty redundant post cureskin changes, I can barely consider others worth AoEing. /Rdm is almost totally useless unless you need to dispel more often.

Don't need either sub to cap cure cast time as far as I can see.

[Behemothx]

Don't need /sch or /rdm in salvage. You can do that /thf on Whm. AoE buffs only applies to the pt that doesn't have a whm and most people bring at least 2 anyway... most of whm's native buffs are AoE anyway. AoE stoneskin is pretty redundant post cureskin changes, I can barely consider others worth AoEing. /Rdm is almost totally useless unless you need to dispel more often.

Don't need either sub to cap cure cast time as far as I can see.

Still, WHM/BLM today is pretty useless.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you're benefiting from Stun it has its uses, if you're doing old content chances are you're better off /thf for TH if you aren't bringing a thf main, MP isn't an issue in abyssea or VW.

[Arcon]

Don't need /sch or /rdm in salvage.

No, but it's more efficient, which is pretty much what his sole priority seems to be.

AoE buffs only applies to the pt that doesn't have a whm and most people bring at least 2 anyway... most of whm's native buffs are AoE anyway.

Sneak/Invis applies to the current pt, and saves everyone having to bring sneak/invis tools/meds, which saves more inventory than warp slots. It also enables AoE cures to wake other parties in the alliance.

Don't need either sub to cap cure cast time as far as I can see.

I have no idea. I don't care much either. It saves having to bring even more gear to reduce casting/recast time, again all according to his sole argument, which is inventory.

Note, that this all is just to contradict some of the statements made, even if none of this was true, it still wouldn't mean anything. The main argument is that there is more than one way to do it.