Attacking Monsters with an Avatar While Being AFK.

[Kristal]

I don't understand why people are so upset with SE taking a stance against this kind of behaviour. It's obviously being abused AND it's detrimental to gameplay of others that seek these particular critters for any reason or are just passing by and have to witness the abuse.

The only people being affected are those that go afk for a considerable time expecting to reap rewards (however slim).
People do not go afk on SMN on top of a chigoe spawn in Grauberg[S] wearing optimal gear for infinite survival, with no intent of farming...

Really surprised no one has made this suggestion by now. Why not just remove the geodes from the treasure pool for the chigoes in question? Going to assume that if they crit kill, since that makes it not yield exp, that that means no credit for the trial (just guessing, idk for sure). So it makes sense to follow that no trial credit and no geodes equates to no more summoners out there. And even if it still gives credit for trial, I'm sure that would, at the very least, get rid of the RMT bots out there.

Geodes are not part of the chigoe loot pool.
A far better option would be to have Sarcopsylla spawn and despawn every 5 minutes at any one of the chigoe spots. But until that's changed, SE needs to put a ban on this kind of farming.

[Avina]

It was mentioned before, but really, when it comes to the issue of absentee play this should be the absolute BOTTOM concern on SE's mind, what with the rampant fell cleave burn parties that have junked some 90% of the game's economy.

Level 30 to level 99 in a few hours is just fine with Square-Enix while the player sleeps? That's not absentee play? I'm not suggesting they change that, although I don't burn, I'm just saying this seems like a totally random thing for them to target when the crazy burning is already happening. Inconsistent policy is inconsistent.

[RAIST]

I don't understand why people are so upset with SE taking a stance against this kind of behaviour. It's obviously being abused AND it's detrimental to gameplay of others that seek these particular critters for any reason or are just passing by and have to witness the abuse.

The only people being affected are those that go afk for a considerable time expecting to reap rewards (however slim).
People do not go afk on SMN on top of a chigoe spawn in Grauberg[S] wearing optimal gear for infinite survival, with no intent of farming...




Geodes are not part of the chigoe loot pool.
A far better option would be to have Sarcopsylla spawn and despawn every 5 minutes at any one of the chigoe spots. But until that's changed, SE needs to put a ban on this kind of farming.

The concern is more about the measures SE would put in place to combat this situation. We've all seen how they over reacted in the past. It seems to be targetting specifically the SMN job. Looking at SE's past record, it's not too far fetched for people to expect SE will go after the job and not the REAL root of the problem--the nature of the monster that they have targetted.

Look at it this way, if they nerf SMN pet auto-attack feature so they can no longer do this on SMN (nerfing a LARGE part of SMN's usefulness, as has already been laid out)--people may STILL flock to farming these critters anyway. Perhaps still on SMN, maybe on another job. It's not like the buggers are hard to kill.

Let's look at the target: 5 minute respawn. Limit on Geode drop rate: 1 in 5 minutes.

Hmmm.....see a pattern? How long does it take to kill a Chigoe in Gruaberg [S]? And with 5 minutes between repops, you have time to rest a bit, cure/refresh, rebuff if needed. It's not far fetched to envision other jobs taking advantage of these targets strictly for farming geodes.

ANY job can just stand there in the bushes, wait for the pops to aggro, and attack them. No running around chasing after mobs. A big decrease in the need to compete for claim. I don't know how many pop spots there are, but say there are 10, and one is the bush that spawns the NM. That leave 9.... NINE camps for people to do this at. Compare that to having to run around chasing Funguar to do the same thing. These are simply too attractive a target for the geode farming PERIOD, regardless of what job is farming them.

TLDR: The problem is NOT with SMN...it is with the CHIGOES THEMSELVES. The concern is that SE is going to go after SMN, and not the REAL root of the problem.

[Vold]

Recently, we have confirmed an issue wherein players in Grauberg (S) will leave their summoned avatars out while they’re AFK and let the avatars attack monsters by using the auto-counter attack system. Also, we have confirmed that these players have gained experience points and items through this act.

Not only does this act upset the game balance, it may interrupt the game play of other players. Any players caught performing the act by a Game Master (GM) may see disciplinary action taken against their accounts. Therefore, we ask that you please refrain yourself from performing this act.

Please be advised that a GM may request assistance from you if they determine that your actions may be causing a disruption in the game balance. If you received instructions from a GM, we ask that you follow them immediately. If you do not follow the instructions, as stated previously, the GM will take action against your account.

HELL YES THE GMS ARE BACK. IT'S ABOUT TI-

If you encounter a player performing this act, please do not hesitate to report them to the Special Task Force via the URL listed below. The Special Task Force and the GMs will work together to investigate the matter accordingly.

...ooooooooh. So, like, instead of just calling a GD GM right then and there to catch the person in the act, you rather we go to a third party so they can waste hours checking logs or not at all. Hey it's ok everyone. They're just doing this for show. Some JP probably pitched a fit over the "issue" and reported it.

[MiniDiamond]

Honestly, if their afraid if people are grinding exp with the "Auto-Counter" System, Then SE should make it so you only get EXP and items if you're Fighting. Bam.

[Camiie]

TLDR: The problem is NOT with SMN...it is with the CHIGOES THEMSELVES. The concern is that SE is going to go after SMN, and not the REAL root of the problem.

I dunno why you and I are the only ones who see that.

And to SE.. I'm not going to report anyone for this. It's not a problem.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I suddenly feel like doing this while not AFK so they cant' complain.

[Yinnyth]

TLDR: The problem is NOT with SMN...it is with the CHIGOES THEMSELVES. The concern is that SE is going to go after SMN, and not the REAL root of the problem.

I've been holding back this comment for a while, but I just can't resist any longer. "The problem is NOT with sexual offenders... it is with the VICTIMS THEMSELVES. They should stop being so darned attractive."

Now, you are correct that SMN is not the problem, and that SMN should not be changed to prevent absentee play. But white-washing all creatures so they're all exactly the same as one another and none of them are more desirable than others? That's not the solution either.

Yes, any job can sit in the bushes and camp chigoes, and that's perfectly ok. If they kill stuff while afk, that's not ok. No matter what job they're on, that's breaking the terms of service.

[RAIST]

I've been holding back this comment for a while, but I just can't resist any longer. "The problem is NOT with sexual offenders... it is with the VICTIMS THEMSELVES. They should stop being so darned attractive."

Now, you are correct that SMN is not the problem, and that SMN should not be changed to prevent absentee play. But white-washing all creatures so they're all exactly the same as one another and none of them are more desirable than others? That's not the solution either.

Yes, any job can sit in the bushes and camp chigoes, and that's perfectly ok. If they kill stuff while afk, that's not ok. No matter what job they're on, that's breaking the terms of service.

one problem though....they don't appear to have any problem with people participating in afk game play. Been to any Abyssea or Gov Book Burns lately?

what they are taking issue with is the monopolization of mobs by the afk farming. And why are they afk farming these mobs? Certainly not for the paultry xp-----it's for the drops. Thus, they need to do something to remove the incentive for the players to be farming them.

My point is simply that.....ANY JOB could be monopolizing these mobs in one fashion or another. The incentive to do so with these particular mobs is how easy it is to farm them for drops. There is an easy mechanic that can be implemented specifically for these mobs to remedy that situation. That is all that needs to be done---focus on the specific problem at hand, which lies in the design of the chigoe and not any other monster or job. It is an issue SPECIFIC TO CHIGOES, and thus they need to focus specifically on the chigoes.

[Bulrogg]

Are you sure it the drops, or the completion of magian trials while AFK; perhaps a combination of the two?

What ever the offense, why the hoopla? If you're not guilty of it, no need to cry here about it. And if you are guilty of it.... a wag of the finger and a tsk-tsk to you.