Attacking Monsters with an Avatar While Being AFK.

[Yinnyth]

I have never seen anyone do this either, nor have I ever heard of it being done until SE made this announcement. So I reeeeally doubt it's a widespread and serious issue which - to use SE's own words - "upsets game balance and interrupts the game play of other players".

SMNs were at every chigoe pop in Grauberg 24/7 last time I did the dagger wind path (75 vermin kills wind weather/day). So it's a problem on Fenrir at least. Might've even been rmt, honestly... half of them had no linkshell on. I'm pretty sure they're doing it for the breeze and thunder geodes. I certainly wish I could get breeze and thunder geodes while I'm at work or in bed, but that's not the way SE wants their game to be played.

[Alhanelem]

since you cant target chiggoes

Since you're not moving, other players have plenty more opportunity than you to aggro them. But what retarded-arse trial has chigoes anyway?

-edit- well...

SMNs were at every chigoe pop in Grauberg 24/7 last time I did the dagger wind path (75 vermin kills wind weather/day)

Are you serious? I don't even know 3 people with the patience to do those kinds of trials.

I guess the issue is semi-specific to abyssea grauberg... with RR you'll oneshot almost every chigoe so that's why...

[Arcon]

I guess the issue is semi-specific to abyssea grauberg... with RR you'll oneshot almost every chigoe so that's why...

I think they mean Grauberg [S], actually, as it has very frequent wind weather.

[Alhanelem]

errr, yeah. never mind me...

Still, I think it's pretty ridiculous to punish anybody for this when it's not even an exploit- it's just a normal mechanic of the game working as intended.

[Yinnyth]

errr, yeah. never mind me...

Still, I think it's pretty ridiculous to punish anybody for this when it's not even an exploit- it's just a normal mechanic of the game working as intended.

Your body also works as a temporary barrier for other players who wish to move through you. Normally this isn't a problem, but let's say you choose to go afk in a doorway with 20 other players who are also afk in that doorway. Now you're gridlocking which is against the rules.

Being afk is not against the rules. Having your avatar defend you is not against the rules. But it IS possible to combine these 2 things in a way that IS against the rules: absentee play.

[Ladyofdragons]

Your body also works as a temporary barrier for other players who wish to move through you. Normally this isn't a problem, but let's say you choose to go afk in a doorway with 20 other players who are also afk in that doorway. Now you're gridlocking which is against the rules.

Being afk is not against the rules. Having your avatar defend you is not against the rules. But it IS possible to combine these 2 things in a way that IS against the rules: absentee play.

And this is happening in jeuno but it doesn't seem to be an issue but in grauberg(s) it's happening and it is an issue
hmm.. wonder why it's area specific.

[Elexia]

So I'm assuming this has to be during Wind Weather only? As 1 blu can finish off 17 SMNs np in abyss-attowah unless they need kill shot of element/avatar.

(even then, leafstorm could do nicely when buffed.)

[Yinnyth]

And this is happening in jeuno but it doesn't seem to be an issue but in grauberg(s) it's happening and it is an issue
hmm.. wonder why it's area specific.

Because of the resources required to fix each problem and the intent behind violators of both problems.

So let's look at the resources required first: GMs have a lot of red tape to go through everytime they interact with a character. Chat protocol, stuff they're required to record, everything they must go through for each individual character before they can move on to interacting with the next (they don't get to just batch-warp people into their MH). Heading out to Grauberg and jailing a dozen SMNs every now and then requires much fewer resources than dealing with the hundreds of chars idling around Jeuno 24/7.

These SMNs are also people who are going out of their way to break the terms of service. Grauberg has no terribly quick ways to get to it for a SMN. They get on blm, retrace themselves, change jobs in town, teleport out to Grauberg, then move to a chigoe camp in order to go afk and engage in absentee play. These are people who are actually intending to do something which is against the rules. The people idling in Jeuno? Some of them fell asleep waiting for a shout. Some of them are just grabbing a quick bite to eat. Some of them are a bazaar mule. Some of them went afk somewhere stupid, died, was force-HP'd and hasn't come back to the keyboard yet. These are people who aren't trying to do anything detrimental. They also don't get breeze geodes for going afk.

[RAIST]

What SE needs to do is focus on the root of the problem--the incentive. The issue isn't the fact a pet can auto attack, the issue is how easy it is to kill chigoes for geodes. 5 minute repop, can easily kill with a crit hit/JA/WS and still get the drops, even though no xp earned--and geodes are suspected to drop on a 5 minute timer.

They need to change the dynamics for getting drops. Several have posted in here the idea that if the PLAYER doesn't actively engage somehow, no xp/item rewards (ie, passive auto pet kill, no drops). Another way could be to extend the already existing code that negates xp on crit-hit/JA/WS instant kill to negate any drops as well. The later is probably a much easy change to make, as the framework for negating xp already exists.

Make it less profitable to farm them in the first place, and it will free them up in general as a farming target.

[Sgtdoughnut]

Really surprised no one has made this suggestion by now. Why not just remove the geodes from the treasure pool for the chigoes in question? Going to assume that if they crit kill, since that makes it not yield exp, that that means no credit for the trial (just guessing, idk for sure). So it makes sense to follow that no trial credit and no geodes equates to no more summoners out there. And even if it still gives credit for trial, I'm sure that would, at the very least, get rid of the RMT bots out there.