Where's OUR discount?

[Aequis]

You're assuming that subscribing to both games makes one satisfied with the situation in XI.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm on one side of the situation and that's the side I see things from, thus the opinion I give. Anyone else is free to state their opinions and people are doing so, which is why we're having this discussion.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm on one side of the situation and that's the side I see things from, thus the opinion I give.

I think the best thing for all concerned on this topic is to just agree to disagree, as there's a clear schism between FFXI-only players and FFXI + FFXIV players that we can't fix.

You assumed that there are two sides to this issue, and that the deciding factor between those two sides is whether or not someone plays XIV alongside XI. You assumed that your personal experiences in playing both XI and XIV extend to the rest of "the side you see things from."

It is quite possible to be a paying subscriber to XIV while still being frustrated with the (complete lack of) direction XI is heading in.

The state of XIV is inconsequential. The importance of XIV here is that it is offered by the exact same service provider as XI, yet provides far better service for its players' subscription dollars.

[Luvbunny]

I doubt they will change anything or even read this post. Their view of FFXI players are someone who they can abuse over and over and neglect since these players will never leave, always come back for more, did not care and seems to enjoy the game no matter what state of service they are getting (or disservice). They already put way too much time and effort in the game, they will not quit, pretty much hooked already. So why they even bother spending resources for these so called zombie players, better use the fund for other new venue such as FF14.

It does not help that FF14 is getting a new director with far better creative vision, and seems to be in touch with what the consumer wants, and completely understand how to create a fun enjoyable game that is far far better than FF11. Too bad his stay at FFXI was brief, but glad that Abyssea was born out of it - one can see the big difference with all the contents post abyssea....

[Elexia]

The state of XIV is inconsequential. The importance of XIV here is that it is offered by the exact same service provider as XI, yet provides far better service for its players' subscription dollars.

FFXIV is also their newer MMO as well as one being overhauled, FFXI is a 10 year old MMO, not being overhauled and for all intents and purposes died in 2009. What is it people aren't getting about this? ITS NOT THAT HARD lol, you also happily play FFXIV..so why are you even complaining >.>

On the plus side:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7qc...layer_embedded

Mizuta (and others) are showing a lot of love for that game's music, so it's win win regardless. FFXI is what it is, there's a reason no matter what they do they can never get "back to where they were in 2005" in terms of players, thus why they're focusing on a new entry into this saturated world.

Seriously, if you start FFXI brand new now you will never experience the game for what it used to be because no one wants to do outdated content..only Abyssea and VW (because they have to keep spamming it.)

[Camiie]

They are being quite unclear (as they like to be I guess) on that, but from what I can gather, as long as you have paid for 90 days (not needed to be paid in a row) between January 6th and the launch of ßeta 2.0, you can still get to be a part of it.

I figured I'd give it a try to see what the good side of SE's service and support looks like and see if I could catch the discount.

For those in the US, Gamestop is selling the FFXIV client download for $9.99. You do have to install and use their Gamestop installer to get your download It wasn't clever enough to make any desktop or start menu shortcuts for me, but it does work. I'm not sure if any other vendors are offering deals. Amazon doesn't seem to be at the moment.

What I have no idea currently is when that launch will be. I have seen some mentions of September, so if that is true, then there's more than enough time yet. I'm thinking of jumping into it myself, even though I doubt I will be playing, but a life-time discount? It is something to ponder upon fer sure.

Yeah I guess they caught me with their deal/scam/marketing ploy/whatever lol. I admit I feel a bit guilty going for it, but what the heck. I guess if it turns out too badly I can always go on the XIV forums and make a (TOS compatible) fuss like I do on this one!

[Alhanelem]

According to the timeline when 2.0 was announced, it will reach current players hands in the fall and go to retail at the end of the year (along with PS3 finally)

[Kaisha]

I could just really go for SE dropping the retarded paying-for-mules crap instead of a discount.

Heck, F2P games let you buy character slots and it's a one-off deal. Here we're required to pay $1 monthly per additional character until we cancel it. Almost every other subscription-based MMO lets you make upwards of 10 per server at no extra cost.

[Elexia]

I could just really go for SE dropping the retarded paying-for-mules crap instead of a discount.

Heck, F2P games let you buy character slots and it's a one-off deal. Here we're required to pay $1 monthly per additional character until we cancel it. Almost every other subscription-based MMO lets you make upwards of 10 per server at no extra cost.

Thing is, in pretty much every MMO but a few new ones 1 character = 1 class, so they have to let you have free character slots and let you buy more slots if you need it
.

[Alhanelem]

Thing is, in pretty much every MMO but a few new ones 1 character = 1 class, so they have to let you have free character slots and let you buy more slots if you need it
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That went out the window with FFXIV now switching to a model where you can have 1 character on each world with the basic account and for a flat additional fee, you can have up to 8 characters on each world.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

FFXIV is also their newer MMO as well as one being overhauled, FFXI is a 10 year old MMO, not being overhauled and for all intents and purposes died in 2009. What is it people aren't getting about this?

Which brings me back to my original post: why is it that XI players are paying the higher price for a dead/dying/etc. game?

you also happily play FFXIV..so why are you even complaining >.>

Because I'm apparently not getting my money's worth with XI.

Let's say you walk into a McDonald's and look at the menu board. Featured prominently is their flagship product, the Big Mac. It has more meat, fancier bun, lots of condiments, and a large marketing push behind it (its own jingle, etc.).

Say it costs $2.

Then, over in a dark corner of the menu board is the unsung product that they built an empire on: a regular hamburger. No cheese, no sesame seeds, just the basics. There's no glitz or glamor, no effort to advertise the heck out of it, everybody knows that McDonald's carries them.

Wouldn't you find it outrageous if it was listed for $3, a higher price than the glitzier Bic Mac?