Where's OUR discount?

[Anapingofness]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/43218

Oh, look: anybody's who's paid for XIV for more than 90 days earns a permanent discount on XIV 2.0 for the life of the game.

Meanwhile, I've been here since January '05 or so, and the only change I've seen in my monthly fee is a slight increase when you switched from monthly to 30-day billing.

It was already insulting to be paying more money for less service while it was a temporary, "until 2.0" situation. And now it will be permanent for just about everyone currently playing XIV?

Where's our goddess damned money's worth!?

The 90 day perma discount bit is actually a brilliant idea for FFXIV. I see no reason that they cannot include it in FFXI. To be more specific it would be neat if SE did something like the longer you played said game the more of a discount you get. So you could go down to like 10$ after like a year or two or maybe the cap is a 50% discount after a certain number of years.

In all seriousness though, the concept of giving players a perma discount the longer they stay with the game is a really good idea. Also, it's an idea that I haven't seen done in other MMO's.

But I have to agree with the OP. I am more than a bit miffed that FFXIV players get a discount- a permanent one at that when a lot of us have been with FFXI since 2005.
Another thing that annoys me is the lack of a permanent discount or bundle for people who are playing both FFXIV and FFXI.

I'll be honest though. I'm not here to get into a pissing match about discounts. Yeah, I'd like one- so what? My main point is that I want to feel appreciated by SE. What I want is for SE to improve the QoS for FFXI by an astronomical amount. FFXIV can have its discount, I want better service.

I know people will call me entitled and selfish but to be perfectly honest I don't give a rat's ass. I'm paying for their service, it is a choice I made- that much is true but if I'm making the choice to pay to play their games then SE is damned obligated to give something in return for my patronage. It's not about entitlement or selfishness people, it's a simple principle of doing business.

[Yinnyth]

The discount thing is an apology and/or "thank you", and it's a poor idea on their part. Sure, some people might feel special for getting the discount and play for longer than they normally would, but I'm betting just as many people will feel outraged that they don't get the discount (see: this thread) and choose to not play ffxiv when they normally would have.

The discount would be a poor idea for ffxi as well. How much longer would any of you play the game if it cost half as much to play? I thankfully have enough money right now, that a difference that small has no effect on my desire or ability to play.

If you ask "do you want free money?" the natural reaction for most people is "yes". If you say "These guys got free money because they do something very similar to what you do!" the natural reaction for most people is "wtf, why not me?" In this case, it's because you didn't pay enough money to play that game while it was at its crappiest.

[Alhanelem]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with offering the legacy program, other than the spit of bad publicity on the XI forum that isn't even justified.

This is like being miffed that seniors get a discount on coffee at dunkin donuts- It's a reasonable offer with reasonable and good intentions behind it. It's working too- I already know a few people who quit or passed on the game after the horrible launch who are coming back already.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Money-and-You

If you aren't happy with the current fee in the game's current state, then it would be a lot smarter to simply demand better service, like one person did: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Money-and-You

I see no reason that they cannot include it in FFXI.

They aren't including it because it's not relevant. FFXI isn't a game that just launched and nearly crashed-and-burned before a new development team swooped in to rescue it, letting people play for free in the meantime just to keep them in the game. Should they have made XI free at that time because players of one of their other games were playing free?

[Chamaan]

How does this work with the supposed bundle deal they announced back at game launch where paying for both games gives you a discount on FFXI? It ended up being a flat 20 bucks for both subscriptions. I'd pay for both games if they both only cost me 15 bucks together. It's only two bucks more than what I pay now for a game I like.

[Ilax]

Well from what i heard, XI was buggy as hell when launched too, plus they had no Auction House. How they manage to repeat same mistake twice after a decade of experience? Sorry but there zip no excuse for them, same as all fail concept they keep doing in 11 that everyone hate, and i am sure they are replicating them in 14.

I never play 14 yet, and i bet they got the same "great idea" of making 24~72h pop NM, why? Because is SE... they never listen, they stubborn and ignore past experience. When they think they have a greatest idea, is the best idea no matter what feedback they get from it.

Yes, XI player should totally have discount, i would even say, FREE to play XI if you subscribe XIV. And then, it would be easy for SE to not allow you to logon FFXI at same time you logon FFXIV, or allow it only if you pay full subscription on both: "with a discount or not, no matter for this part."

If they did that from start, everyone would have tested 14 for free and be happy from start to end, no one would have claim the discount for playing the game when it was totally bugged.

What Yinnyth said is also totally true:

If you ask "do you want free money?" the natural reaction for most people is "yes". If you say "These guys got free money because they do something very similar to what you do!" the natural reaction for most people is "wtf, why not me?" In this case, it's because you didn't pay enough money to play that game while it was at its crappiest.

SE need review they marketing strategy because obviously they are totally off track, and not appealing many player in.

They aren't including it because it's not relevant. FFXI isn't a game that just launched and nearly

FFXIV it's not relevant for me, fair game, and i think what people try to say Alhanelem, is they not interest much in 14, and with SE offer "You missed the fail boat, so suck on it" make us just stay even farther from it, and i doubt they would get any new subscriber, like Yinnyth said, and for reason he stated.

Anyway, i could have just say: "Happy to hear you special enough to have discount, GL playing FFXIV, now is time for me to move on."

[Alhanelem]

How does this work with the supposed bundle deal they announced back at game launch where paying for both games gives you a discount on FFXI?

That discount was only temporary and next month will be the last chance to receive it. However, FFXIV was already charging $9.99 at the time and it worked just fine.

Well from what i heard, XI was buggy as hell when launched too, plus they had no Auction House.

XIV was never planned to have the auction house at all. It's not comparable. In FFXI, it was planned, the auction house buildings already existed, it just didn't get implemented immediately at launch.

In XIV, there still is no auction house, but auction houce-like features have been added to the market system to make it more useable. But the market system was planned from the beginning and was available at launch (but without a search or ability to buy from a central location, it sucked- It has since added these features, and soon the markets of each city will be linked)

[Aequis]

I never play 14 yet, and i bet they got the same "great idea" of making 24~72h pop NM, why? Because is SE... they never listen, they stubborn and ignore past experience.

I'm sorry, but this is just misguided. There's a particular set of people (haven't played XIV, don't follow current news and just speculate that it's trash because of "what they heard") who will take any opportunity to slate the game, without understanding it at all. If you don't know anything about XIV, then the opinion you have about it isn't going to be very well-founded.

There's a free trial coming up soon. Give it a go or listen to feedback from people who try it and see if your opinion changes then. That's all we can ask.

Yes, XI player should totally have discount, i would even say, FREE to play XI if you subscribe XIV. And then, it would be easy for SE to not allow you to logon FFXI at same time you logon FFXIV, or allow it only if you pay full subscription on both: "with a discount or not, no matter for this part."

For all intents and purposes, the games are not even related. They are separate business ventures. Both their names start with "Final Fantasy" but they have separate teams working on them (XIV got rid of Tanaka who now works on XI). There was a promotion between XI and XIV, similar to how Assassin's Creed 2 or Mass Effect 3 has a promotion with Final Fantasy XIII-2.

I don't know. I think the best thing for all concerned on this topic is to just agree to disagree, as there's a clear schism between FFXI-only players and FFXI + FFXIV players that we can't fix.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

there's a clear schism between FFXI-only players and FFXI + FFXIV players

You're assuming that subscribing to both games makes one satisfied with the situation in XI.

[Dragoy]

Does this announcement mean 2.0 will be out in less than 90 days or can we sign up now for special pricing and pretend to be loyal FFXVI customers?

They are being quite unclear (as they like to be I guess) on that, but from what I can gather, as long as you have paid for 90 days (not needed to be paid in a row) between January 6th and the launch of ßeta 2.0, you can still get to be a part of it.

What I have no idea currently is when that launch will be. I have seen some mentions of September, so if that is true, then there's more than enough time yet. I'm thinking of jumping into it myself, even though I doubt I will be playing, but a life-time discount? It is something to ponder upon fer sure.

I'll quote an attempt on clarification by Bayohne:

Just going to pop in quickly to clarify Legacy member qualification for those that are unsure:

Paying for at least 90 days at any time between January 6, 2012 and the start of 2.0 beta testing is how you qualify to become a Legacy member. You do not need to pay for 90 days in a row to qualify.

Hope that clears that up!

Another one from here, posted on April 23rd:

Regarding the eligibility period and notification of eligibility
Even if you start FFXIV fresh today, and have 30-days of free time, you'll still be able to qualify for the Legacy pricing. We're planning announcements so that everyone will know exactly when the cut off timing will be. When it comes to "how will we know for sure if we're in?", we're planning to email the email address associated to your Square Enix account sometime in May. You'll also be able to log in and check your status via the Square Enix account management system.

As for FFXI, I actually pay 150€ or so more per year now thanks to the payment changes. The fee could easily be at least 50% of the current if you ask me, and no, I am not happy to pay as much as I do now. I would not be here were it not for one certain friend still remaining in-game. I am honestly hoping a little that she would stop playing so that I could stop, too!

Another thing that would be fun, would be to implement a sort of a free-account option. Much like the free-trial period they have, but not limited by days. However, comparing to many other games that have both free and a premium content, the current free-trial is way over-board when it comes to the restrictions.

But I digress.

In any case, if they will not lower the price for FFXI a lot, or make it free-to-play at least partially so I can still hang around, I will likely not stay for longer than some months to come, or at tops, until the end of this anniversary year. Getting a discount for playing both would definitely be the least they could, or even should do.

I am not jealous of FFXIV getting such treats, as it is understandable to try everything they can to get more players, even for a while. It is not exactly their fault that we are being left to rot in the shadows, lingering on the far-reaches of hope only to be disappointed once more and again, dreading to even peek around the corner any longer...

What!


Oh and wow at the people saying no thanks to a discount, or any other improvements and treats for that matter!
A disgusted, and maybe a little disappointed but not surprised wow.

[Jem]

Am I the only one who thinks the Legacy program for FFXIV is a bad idea for the image of the game from non-current players? 5 dollars cheaper(33% discount) for the same service package because you once payed 30-dollars(9.99x3) for 90-days of a game back in 2012? For a new/returning player post-2.0 that would be a huge turn-off. I'm all for Legacy items like the exclusive chocobo but 60$ dollars cheaper a year vs new players...for forever?

Also slightly unrelated but people use the term "Entitlement" way to much lately. There are all types of entitlement and not all are bad. Everyone has some form of entitlement. For example thinking that your girlfriend shouldn't date other people is a form of entitlement.