Where's OUR discount?

[Alhanelem]

Probably, they have lowered it but then passed increased logistical costs on to us thus leaving the price where it is.

[Aequis]

XIV doesn't have near the amount of content we do in XI yet. It's also not established and doesn't have the stability of XI. I have played it on and off since October last year and I was an alpha/beta tester also. For a long time it was unplayable without some degree of frustration and things you take for granted in XI (delivery boxes, a real auction house, an actual use for food, explorable landscapes, reraise/sneak/invis) either don't exist, or we're only just getting them. The healer job - Conjurer - didn't have any form or -na spell or Erase / Esuna until they added White mage last month.

A lower subscription cost is the reward for sticking with them throughout all of that and staying an active subscriber. Plus XIV has a better, kinder, more understanding producer, whilst we're just stuck with Tanaka here. Voidwatch sums up pretty much everything I hate about XI right now.

Another fact that is apparent in XIV if you're in a linkshell with people that have played since release is, there isn't much for them to do any more. All their classes are lv50, they've done several crafts to lv50 and they've done most of their AF for the advanced jobs like WHM or BLM (some isn't worth doing over buyable equip). So unless they start over, those numbers on Legacy subscriptions are going to drop off as long-time players quit.

[Dazusu]

We owe them nothing either.

Then stop paying them? It's quite simply really.

Indeed, after almost 10 years...Why hasn't it?

You think update quality is poor now? Imagine it if we start paying less.

This game needs a serious overhaul, I completely agree. We need an expansion on the scale of ToAU or CoP (WoTG was a letdown for me personally, rehashed zones. It could have been another Abyssea.)

But does anyone really think that incessant whining on the forums is going to achieve it? Crying for a decrease in subscription fee, discounts, and other irrelevant changes? That's not going to motivate the powers that be in SE towers to get anything substantial done. While it's not our job to motivate the team, its our job to tell them (not like children) what it is we want to see. If you're not happy with the game, the best way to get your voice heard is to stop paying them. That's the only language a corporate business understands. Money.

Creating the same threads with the same content week-in, week-out with the same 15-20 people posting their very loud opinion isn't going to help. Infact, I would be willing to wager a bet that such information doesn't routinely get back to the Execs or people in charge anyway.

[Dazusu]

One of SE's big problems is they don't seem to know a dang thing about marketing.

Life-time discount on FFXIV objects to that statement. It made me (and many of my linkshell mates) pay for 3 months yesterday when I read the crying about it in this thread. I don't even have the game installed, and haven't since the month it was released.

[Alhanelem]

Well, it was probably all Yoshi-P's idea. But he's too busy to do marketing for all of SE.

[Midorikaze]

Ugh.

Less paid per month should not mean less service. It just might bring people back to the game (not to mention maybe some new players) if it's more worth their money. The playerbase just might grow a little.

FFXI is a great game, but the look has been dated for some time now. Not that it makes the game less great, just that better technology is out there and some of those games are no doubt cheaper than this one. I have never seen a game where updating to at least be on-par with other games is such a far-fetched concept.

Even $9.95 seems fair at this point. Why not just make it an even $10 without the extra freaking nickel taken off. The illusion of seeing $12.95 thinking that it's 12 bucks isn't fooling me. Never did, never will.

Pardon my shortness, I just tire of seeing the less cost = less service argument. It's getting old. :\

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

XIV doesn't have near the amount of content we do in XI yet.

Yes, and it's about the same amount of content XI had last month, and the month before that, and the month before that, and the month before that, ad nauseam. So why still the same price? Are there really that many new players coming into the game?

It's also not established and doesn't have the stability of XI.

"Stable" can also mean "boring," or "stale."

I propose that everyone keeps complaining on this forum about job balance, etc. because there's precious little to distract people from these issues any more. The dev team needs to fix these longstanding and previously minor issues now because there's nothing major left to gloss over the small stuff.

Another fact that is apparent in XIV if you're in a linkshell with people that have played since release is, there isn't much for them to do any more.

Meanwhile, nobody's left in my XI social linkshell because there isn't much for us to do any more, either. The few members that haven't quit outright spend most of their time in an endgame/grind linkshell instead.

[Midorikaze]

Pledging that discount for "the duration of FFXIV's service" is quite bold. And, FFXI has been around for a lot longer yet long-time players don't get to see much appreciation for 9-10 years of patronage compared to FFXIV's 2 years. Sure, there was a total game rebuild but they also got a free-to-play period on top of this Legacy discount.

I just don't understand it.

[Elexia]

I just don't understand it.

Have you done every bit of content FFXI has to offer? No? Then what's the problem? XIV is a game being OVERHAULED and rereleased, life time discount is something for the CURRENT players that NEW players WILL NOT get. It's a "THANK YOU".

Why should FFXI players get a "thank you for playing"...? Your "thank you" is the tons of the content they gave over the span of 10 years lol. This sense of entitlement is amazing.

[RAIST]

Have you done every bit of content FFXI has to offer? No? Then what's the problem? XIV is a game being OVERHAULED and rereleased, life time discount is something for the CURRENT players that NEW players WILL NOT get. It's a "THANK YOU".

Why should FFXI players get a "thank you for playing"...? Your "thank you" is the tons of the content they gave over the span of 10 years lol. This sense of entitlement is amazing.

You may be defeating your argument somewhat. Other games have been around for less time and have even gone free to play either completely or partially (or were F2P from the start) and continued to recieve new content.

The bigger point is the QoS is nowhere near what it once was, and in some aspects continues to decline----and yet, they are still charging the same price as 10 years ago.