Where's OUR discount?

[Luvbunny]

The least they can do is to make it a flat fee of $12.95 and limit our mule to 8 per servers, free of charge. Or give us option to pay for 6 months at a time for a low price of $60. That would rejuvenate player base and hopefully bring more people. Other games do it, and do it well. This game pretty much the "i don't give a crap if the world is round", they do what they want, treat their costumers like we don't matter, and pretty much move along in their own pace - hence the spectacular bomb of FF14 at launch, developed with the same attitude. Who knows, maybe they will announce something great for the anniversary - something game changing. Or they will just do the usual crap, giving us a moggle statue with crap stats....

[Dazusu]

The least they can do

Is that your great sense of entitlement shining through? They owe you nothing.

[Luvbunny]

Is that your great sense of entitlement shining through? They owe you nothing.

Yes, it's called customer's appreciation and a business move to retain and attract more player base and lock them in a long term subscription with a good price where the price is so great, you don't even realize you are still subscribing and never bother to even cancel. You minimize the "hurt" and make it less important, this way you can have those people who just keep paying 3-6 months at a time. That's a nice big chunk of money upfront! If 25% of the subscribers pay them 6 months in advance, they can easily predict the upcoming revenue - they know at least 1/4 is a locked in, a guaranteed and it makes it easier to budget for new content development.

[Alhanelem]

The whole discount thing was because they're compensating for people who have been patient while they totally rebuild their game. FFXI has been fully functional, more popular, and fun for years. People were/have been getting their money's worth at the current rate. Why do you suddenly feel like the game isn't worth $12.95 to you just because they decided to give people in a DIFFERENT GAME a cut rate? Either it isn't worth that much to you at all and you should quit, or you're being overly entitled.

If FFXI was in some immediate danger or it was the second year of its life and still significantly dysfunctional, I'd understand such a demand. They did this for FFXIV because they pretty much needed to. FFXI doesn't have that kind of need right now. It still has far more players who have been paying $12.95 for years and have been happy (mostly). The price is conssumerate with what it is worth to people. You release a badly broken game that needs a lot of fixing just to be funcitonal, of course it's not going to be worth as much to people.

Unless you can prove to me that you would of came here posting crying for a discount even if they didn't offer this FFXIV program, you don't have a leg to stand on- Unless you were about to quit anyway, FFXI was still worth your $12.95.

[Elexia]

So the tl;dr is:

Discount makes sense for FFXIV.

Discount makes zero sense for FFXI beyond entitlement. I also found the "skeleton crew" thing funny, since people payed $20 for a beta of Minecraft which had far less people than XI ever has/will have.

[Camiie]

Is that your great sense of entitlement shining through? They owe you nothing.

We owe them nothing either. See I think it's SE that has a sense of entitlement these days. They cut the dev team down to a skeleton crew whose primary job seems to be to make excuses as to why things can't or won't be done. They saddle us with developer leadership that has proven beyond all doubt to be inept and incompetent. They aren't even making a good faith effort anymore. Screwing up on a game is one thing, but the company as a whole isn't even trying with FFXI. It's not just that our loyalty isn't being rewarded, it's that our loyalty is being betrayed. And yet, still here we are loyal as ever hoping as we always do that this time they'll get it right. This time they'll listen. This time they'll wise up. But no while we pay their bills and stay in the run down house desperately in need of repair, they run off and party with the young honeys and lavish them with gifts while we get told to pound sand.

Heck, we've been beta testing this game the entire time it's existed. Even with a beta server the live game still seems like a beta test considering all they myriad ways they still seem to mess things up. They don't even listen to beta server feedback for goodness sake! The least they can do is fix the bugs THEY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT! The very very least... but they don't even do that. It seems to take them days or weeks to even find out how to fix it after it's already live. Hell if I could get away with that at my job and I'm a government employee! The low standards to which we're held are the stuff of legends!

Are we entitled to a discount? No. If, however, SE is making the decision to hand them out to their loyal subscribers then they need to start over here and work their way down.

[Elexia]

We owe them nothing either. See I think it's SE that has a sense of entitlement these days. They cut the dev team down to a skeleton crew whose primary job seems to be to make excuses as to why things can't or won't be done. They saddle us with developer leadership that has proven beyond all doubt to be inept and incompetent. They aren't even making a good faith effort anymore. Screwing up on a game is one thing, but the company as a whole isn't even trying with FFXI.

Explain the last 10 years for me, please? I count numerous expansions and add-ons ontop of normal content additions. Unless we're playing a different FFXI I don't see this argument at all.

It's not just that our loyalty isn't being rewarded

I've never been rewarded in the 10 years I played this game, ever, at all.

it's that our loyalty is being betrayed

I have been betrayed, badly. I mean, I never once wondered "What would it be like to see the Crystal War i hear so much about from NPCs for myself one day?" Damn you SE, why did you betray me with WoTG?

Heck, we've been beta testing this game the entire time it's existed.

You have no idea what a beta is. This is an established game. You can spin things around and call XIV 1.x a beta and 2.0 the official launch, but even that is stretching it.

They don't even listen to beta server feedback for goodness sake

I found otherwise with some of my jobs, actually.

If, however, SE is making the decision to hand them out to their loyal subscribers then they need to start over here and work their way down.

Entitlement. FFXI players are not entitled to a discount. FFXI does not need a discount when it's already successful at the price it's been for the majority of it's service run, and any arguments about why or "it would benefit" is pure entitlement. FFXIV is a special case and they're merely showing thanks for sticking through the OVERHAUL OF A DAMN MMORPG by giving CURRENT, NOT new players a life-time discount. This is the difference with XIV and XI. XI what would the discount be for?

"Uh you play FFXI so....uhm, here's your discount?"

lol.

[Zumi]

FFXIV was awful at launch however its come a long way since then. If you didn't like it back at launch I would definitely give it a try when their free weekend comes up in a couple weeks. Its a lot easier to level and make parties, there's several different raids and bosses to do. You can get some epic looking AF gear now too and the quests were pretty fun to do.

[Alhanelem]

You have no idea what a beta is. This is an established game. You can spin things around and call XIV 1.x a beta and 2.0 the official launch, but even that is stretching it.

it pretty much is, considering a second team had to take the game over and basically rebuild the whole thing almost entirely from scratch, while simultaneously developing stuff that was compatible with the old client so that we'd have something to do in the meantime.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Explain the last 10 years for me, please? I count numerous expansions and add-ons ontop of normal content additions. Unless we're playing a different FFXI I don't see this argument at all.

And what have we seen in the last year? One or two mass endgame activities, nothing else. I can count the number of new quests on one hand, and there hasn't been a new mission at all.

On top of that, the lackluster roadmap we've been on is now over. Shall we expect to do nothing but tread water from here on out?

I have been betrayed, badly. I mean, I never once wondered "What would it be like to see the Crystal War i hear so much about from NPCs for myself one day?" Damn you SE, why did you betray me with WoTG?

And how long ago was that? How many months (at $12.95/ea.) have gone by since anything like that happened?

In the time since Wings was wrapped up, XIV players got a whole new game, and will have a second whole new game before S-E even thinks of throwing a $10 add-on our way.

You have no idea what a beta is. This is an established game. You can spin things around and call XIV 1.x a beta and 2.0 the official launch, but even that is stretching it.

Want to obsess over betas? People who play on the test server for XI pay the same $12.95 as everyone else. People who are effectively testing XIV are getting a lifetime discount.

Entitlement. FFXI players are not entitled to a discount.

We are entitled to get our money's worth. We aren't getting half the attention XIV is, yet we're paying a third more.

FFXI does not need a discount when it's already successful at the price it's been for the majority of it's service run,

We pay month by month. What has your $12.95 gotten you in the past month?

and any arguments about why or "it would benefit" is pure entitlement. FFXIV is a special case and they're merely showing thanks for sticking through the OVERHAUL OF A DAMN MMORPG

And we're not? XI players aren't just sticking around, being ignored while S-E throws all their effort at XIV, we're funding it!

This is the difference with XIV and XI. XI what would the discount be for?

A lower subscription fee for a lower service standard.