Beastmaster unfair disadvantage

[Quetzacoatl]

They wont stop playing as BST because it's the easiest job to do it in, almost fail proof. So if you think otherwise you'll be sorely mistaken.

As far as I'm concerned, they can enjoy their low droprate unless they bring a THF friend along. I'd also like to see what those BSTs would say to mobs being stolen with a WS after a pet's target turns yellow.

Don't hog dynamis mobs, folks!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

As far as I'm concerned, they can enjoy their low droprate unless they bring a THF friend along. I'd also like to see what those BSTs would say to mobs being stolen with a WS after a pet's target turns yellow.

Don't hog dynamis mobs, folks!

Wow, how Droll.

Lets pretend BST's are the only job to pull more than one mob... it's so "in."

We'll forget Fell Cleavers, Charged Whiskers, Aeolian Edges etcetera....

PS. TH1 is better than nothing, triggers are the only thing that matters in Abyssea.

[Quetzacoatl]

Wow, how Droll.

Lets pretend BST's are the only job to pull more than one mob... it's so "in."

We'll forget Fell Cleavers, Charged Whiskers, Aeolian Edges etcetera....

PS. TH1 is better than nothing, triggers are the only thing that matters in Abyssea.

Those aren't even practical in Dynamis unless you go in as an entire linkshell and have some spare time farming dynamis-xarcabard after a few ADL runs or whatever the plan was. Assuming they're set up for that, anyway. >_>

For real though, any BST expecting to keep 4-5 mobs (5-7 if duo) is disrespectful and is going to get their mobs taken. Yellow is fair game, and I won't hesitate to take them.

[Calamity]

Those aren't even practical in Dynamis unless you go in as an entire linkshell and have some spare time farming dynamis-xarcabard after a few ADL runs or whatever the plan was. Assuming they're set up for that, anyway. >_>

For real though, any BST expecting to keep 4-5 mobs (5-7 if duo) is disrespectful and is going to get their mobs taken. Yellow is fair game, and I won't hesitate to take them.

Really, on what planet is this a bst only thing? I see dncs, nins and thf's doing the exact same thing. If you seem to think bsts do it more, it's only because there are more bsts. Seriously, stop blaming the job. Blame the players behind the job. They would play exactly the same no matter what job they're on.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Those aren't even practical in Dynamis unless you go in as an entire linkshell and have some spare time farming dynamis-xarcabard after a few ADL runs or whatever the plan was. Assuming they're set up for that, anyway. >_>

For real though, any BST expecting to keep 4-5 mobs (5-7 if duo) is disrespectful and is going to get their mobs taken. Yellow is fair game, and I won't hesitate to take them.

It's not practical since the AoE nerf, was done a lot before then.

Don't deny it is. Disrespectful it is not, selfish yes. Interesting detail though, as someone that on the occasion I do Dynamis at all, I take one enemy at a time, but pulling with BST's F**cked up mechanics usually sees my pet unintentionally run through other mobs that then link, I don't aim to pull "the zone" or so on but it happens, Do I care if you steal them? Not really, as I'm not foolish enough to trigger weakness on the enemy I'm not fighting. While I don't deny a fair few BST's pull the zone, not everyone does.

Ending on: The people that do pool the zone are the same style of people that will take a linkshell to camp one weak NM if someone is after it and they want it. Do be careful though, you continue to do it to one BST over and over again and they report you for Bullying... ouch!

[Quetzacoatl]

Really, on what planet is this a bst only thing? I see dncs, nins and thf's doing the exact same thing. If you seem to think bsts do it more, it's only because there are more bsts. Seriously, stop blaming the job. Blame the players behind the job. They would play exactly the same no matter what job they're on.

Yeah, I understand THFs DNCs and NINs are equal to blame, but the saturation of players doing this lately have been BSTs from my PoV. I'll admit, I'll pull one or two extra out of 2 hippogryphs if the camp is empty, but once that camp gets crowded, It's just down to 2 with my dynamis partners.

Don't deny it is. Disrespectful it is not, selfish yes. Interesting detail though, as someone that on the occasion I do Dynamis at all, I take one enemy at a time, but pulling with BST's F**cked up mechanics usually sees my pet unintentionally run through other mobs that then link, I don't aim to pull "the zone" or so on but it happens, Do I care if you steal them? Not really, as I'm not foolish enough to trigger weakness on the enemy I'm not fighting. While I don't deny a fair few BST's pull the zone, not everyone does.

I agree, it's just those fair few I've been seeing that are outrageous. Thankfully it's not like I can't do anything about them though. And as far as disrespectful goes, everyone has an equal opportunity to farm for currency, but when there's one douche-hole who decides to link all the mobs, drag them to a remote spot and take their sweet time procing then killing them...are they trying to intentionally waste everyone's time in there? They're better off killing 1-2 mobs per player so they don't have to deal with everyone else anyway!

Seems you've never played BST, difference between Hobs and Yuly is roughly -30 to take home that's out of 150-200. (Even after update Yuly will have TH1 btw) Less take home means more runs to do, more people to piss off and more killing with a stronger pet to make up the difference. The argument you used has been played to death and it was wrong day one. Don't mix up Hate for Competition and Hate for BST it's not the same.

Yeah yeah, I understand the career BSTs will keep farming dynamis and I won't have a problem with that as long as they have some etiquette with farming mobs. The same goes for any other sort of competition who might have the thought of going, "hey, let's act like jackasses tonight and screw with their relic progress." Just stay off mine and I'll stay off yours. Is that really so hard to ask?

[Calamity]

Yeah, I understand THFs DNCs and NINs are equal to blame, but the saturation of players doing this lately have been BSTs from my PoV. I'll admit, I'll pull one or two extra out of 2 hippogryphs if the camp is empty, but once that camp gets crowded, It's just down to 2 with my dynamis partners.

See, you're missing the point though. It's not that people who play bst do shit like this, it's that people who do shit like this started playing bst. Currently bst is just the most effective job to farm dynamis with. In my experience about 1/10 bsts I see in dynamis actually "play" the job. To the other 9 it's just a dynamis farming tool. Who knows, a month after the bst th nerf, this whole conversation might be repeated with dnc or thf as the target subject instead.

[Quetzacoatl]

See, you're missing the point though. It's not that people who play bst do shit like this, it's that people who do shit like this started playing bst. Currently bst is just the most effective job to farm dynamis with. In my experience about 1/10 bsts I see in dynamis actually "play" the job. To the other 9 it's just a dynamis farming tool. Who knows, a month after the bst th nerf, this whole conversation might be repeated with dnc or thf as the target subject instead.

Wait what? If that's what you're talking about, then if you were paying attention, you would have realized I was talking about bandwagon dynamis bsts in the first place!

[Zinato]

As far as I'm concerned, they can enjoy their low droprate unless they bring a THF friend along. I'd also like to see what those BSTs would say to mobs being stolen with a WS after a pet's target turns yellow.

Don't hog dynamis mobs, folks!

Seems you've never played BST, difference between Hobs and Yuly is roughly -30 to take home that's out of 150-200. (Even after update Yuly will have TH1 btw) Less take home means more runs to do, more people to piss off and more killing with a stronger pet to make up the difference. The argument you used has been played to death and it was wrong day one. Don't mix up Hate for Competition and Hate for BST it's not the same.

[Mavrick]

Seems you've never played BST, difference between Hobs and Yuly is roughly -30 to take home that's out of 150-200. (Even after update Yuly will have TH1 btw) Less take home means more runs to do, more people to piss off and more killing with a stronger pet to make up the difference. The argument you used has been played to death and it was wrong day one. Don't mix up Hate for Competition and Hate for BST it's not the same.

You (and the others as well) need to stop responding to people like Quetzacoatl. The guy is obviously a troll and contributes nothing to the thread other than flamebaiting everyone. Since this post is now on "Hot Topics" and featured on the main page you can expect more just like him popping in and turning this into yet another anti-bst/dynamis "haha bst-nerf" thread.

Greetings!

I’d like to give some feedback in regards to pet behavior when changing areas and kicking off confrontations.

• Differences between pet behavior when changing areas
Wyvern, automatons, and adventuring fellows all have long recast times and if they didn’t carry over between areas, it would be quite a large penalty. Based on this, they will not disappear when changing areas.

Well Puppetmasters now have Deus Ex Automata which allows them to call autos every 60 seconds. All PUP needs to do is restore automaton to full HP, deactivate and they'll have "Activate" fully recharged and have a automaton at full strength. That is well beyond BST's 5 min recast on call beast.

Summoners literally has no recast at all. As soon as they change zones their pets are ready to be called... And they are free.

So, from that prospective it actually makes more sense to allow jug pets to zone than it does to allow automatons and avatars to zone.

On the other hand, familiar pets and avatars use jugs and cost MP so the penalty is not as large. With familiar pets, you spend money on jugs to gain fighting power, which is essentially the same as other consumables like ammunition.
With that said, it is technically possible; however, in the case that pets did not disappear when changing areas, the cost of using that pet to its full extent would be increased (the cost of the jug).

I feel it is a lost cause trying to get anything changed or adjusted on Beastmaster. Every time someone mentions an adjustment that sounds very simple and plausible it gets shot down for illogical reasons.
I applause the development team for finally giving us formidable pets 76+ (even though we asked 5+ years ago). But after getting the extremely worthless "Run Wild" ability on a 15 min recast o.O! and having this much difficult to get something as simple as allowing jugs to zone I reckon nothing is going to change for BSTs anytime soon.