Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

[Alkimi]

Problem is that when either clone uses a TP move the other one will aswell, meaning essentially double the TP moves and double the chance of getting terrored/death slashed.

Essentially if you have the numbers you should be able to take out 2 clones and win before PD wears. If you're lowmanning it like the video then you're riding your luck a lot more, if you pick the wrong one first time chances are you're going to wipe.

[macross]

No, if it splits again it will pop 4 copies, which immediately will terra slash from what i've seen.
If you have enough fire power it will take 10 sec to get him to split then another 10 sec to kill the first copy you pick, if that's not it move on etc. I don't see you fighting both copies at the same time in your videos either.

Plus you got lucky that you picked the right copy. If it was wrong one you would have lost. I don't go into the fight expecting to win by luck.

Why not post the videos of you losing, I'm sure it happens quite often.

Ps you should use warriors, they are much stronger. Or at least 1 war for blood rage.

We've gotten dbl drops 3x now, 21 marrows so far. Heck 3 kills today, 5 marrows. Point is we don't fight it expecting to lose, but bad luck dbl terror can always happen or a 52 then 47 split.

[Vold]

The only QQ I have to add is about the 100m marrows you're selling. Only QQ because I'm laughing so hard people would buy for that much. Anyhow, grats on your luck with clone.

Nobody is paying 100 mil on Q for that stuff. No one paid 75 mil nor has anyone paid 55 mil as far as I know as the one UB(Ultimate Bitch as I call it fyi, otherwise known as umbral marrow, though it seems alittle less of a pain now..) I've seen in bazaars is quickly being cut day by day. I haven't looked at it in 2 or 3 days but last I saw it was 55 million which stood for at least 1 day of bazaaring.

As far as this topic goes I've kept my mouth shut lately to see how it'll play out. I have a few observations:

1)bringing less bodies than 18 to ADL is a good thing for several reasons.

2)with a few dedicated players surrounding you, you can 6 man ADL by whatever means that are necessary which I did figure was possible but goodluck having such a group. It's few and far between so don't be expecting to 6 man ADL yourself any time soon unless you fit the bill and make a serious effort to create or join such a group.

3)Chan you proved your point with the 6 man win but don't push it. Take the victory and walk away. Don't go starting about how there's no luck involved and so on. You won but it won't always be so. The system doesn't allow it. And you weren't exactly pushing through it like champs til ADL dropped in either video so gloating is only going to take you so far. I can understand why you'd want to do it because of this ongoing war between you and BG members but let's face it, there's not THAT much to gloat about. The video speaks for itself. You can farm 99 relics or sell off UBs with relative ease whether it's wins or losses. You don't need 18 which is the conceived "hard" part after all, needing to share/lot the UB drops that others will want, too.

Take it for what it is, let the video speak for itself which is a 6 man ADL win period, and call it a day before you ruin it.

[MarkovChain]

Plus you got lucky that you picked the right copy. If it was wrong one you would have lost. I don't go into the fight expecting to win by luck.
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No I would not have lost. I'm better than you that's about it. And war is shit. Prove me wrong by 6 manning it with 4 wars.

bitterness and blabla about luck

I've already explained that my win rate will be 75%. Luck doesn't exist, either you can or you can't. I've already explained what causes failure and what causes failure. I can write a page of maths explain you how much % win rate I'm going to have. It's not luck it's averaging a certain amount of marrows per runs. Go ahead if you want to play with 18 I don't care, my relic will be obtained probably before tueasday which is 2 weeks only after VU. Want to take bets ?

[Karbuncle]

No I would not have lost. I'm better than you that's about it.

Lol, I can't decide if you say this crap for lulz or as a joke, or are so far lost in your own delusional world that you actually believe it now.

[Alkimi]

No I would not have lost.

Huh? All sources of healing were dead, the 3 remaining DDs were in orange HP or almost dead and PD had worn off.

[Khiinroye]

You do realize that with your kill speed, it can split again after you pick wrong? This means you lose another 15 seconds of damage to hitting for 0 and having to renegage. You lose most of your remaining PD, and get to take 2-3 instant WS with a weakened PD/ no PD (wipe), and then have another 50% / 33% / 25% chance of getting the right clone.

An alliance of 12 +cor and smn mules allows you to farm 3 pops and kill 3 per run (even if you don't get a 2hr reset), while still being able to deal with stuff like picking wrong with a terror. I think our worst luck was split > wrong clone > terror > split into 3 > wrong clone > terror > wrong clone > win. I guarantee that, as the game stands now, you won't win something like that with only 6, and even with an alliance, its almost always a wipe.

[Monchat]

Huh? All sources of healing were dead, the 3 remaining DDs were in orange HP or almost dead and PD had worn off.

each monk has Reraise on, a reraise scroll, an icarus wing. 1 WS=3~4% of its HP. The bard DiaII ADL a few second before dying for a purpose. Makes it possible to zombie the few % HP if it is the rigth clone you still win.

Now the point of pchan is not that everyone should farm his marrows with 6, obviously. It's that peopel goign with 18 and only poping one are doign it very wrong. If I were to go with an allaince i'd take:

PT1: MNKx5(vereth) SMN
PT2: MNKx5(vereth) SMn
PT3: SMNx5 BRD

The reason for mnks is: other DDs cannot beat 300TP aftermath + impetus 's boost during the 1:30 of PD. Secondly, a +3 instrumentis enough to cap haste w/o soulvoice (langeleik or Ghorn). If your bard only has +2, you'r not to far from caping, and anywayyou got 10 DD.. lol. If 4 monk can kill 1 copy and sometimes 2, 10 mnks will kill 3-4 NP.

With this set up you can pop seven ADL in one run ( well 3 or 4 if you PD both DD pts, which is certainly not required), since the *only* required 2H is Perfect Defense. And do not bother bringing CORs. Their 2H is a 66% chance at being useless.

[MarkovChain]

Huh? All sources of healing were dead, the 3 remaining DDs were in orange HP or almost dead and PD had worn off.

Funny. After all you are the one bringing a dedicated mage party for a perfect defense zerg (2 RDM GUYZ). Orange HP doesn't mean jack shit when perfect defense is up which is the case whenever there is no dynamic implosion going on ; aka the second video clearly shows the amount of time left. Also we need to hear nynja's theory.

[MarkovChain]

You do realize that with your kill speed, it can split again after you pick wrong? This means you lose another 15 seconds of damage to hitting for 0 and having to renegage. You lose most of your remaining PD, and get to take 2-3 instant WS with a weakened PD/ no PD (wipe), and then have another 50% / 33% / 25% chance of getting the right clone..

So what no setup is 100% win what's your point ? An alliance of 18 that is getting 3 splits cannot afford a single dynamic implosion because that would be 30se + 15s x3. Also I'm almost certain the next clones don't take as long to pop and take damage while being poped ( I had this occuring once but it could have been the lag in the log).

And you have no idea what you are talking about about the second split. On a typical run ADL clones are going to have 45% HP so it's going to go down in ~25sec. Seeing as I can survive about 10sec w/o PD and each monk as a free 6k damage (let's say 2 icarus wings, one instant reraise) in case of loss, even if you wipe before killing the second form you could do 30k damage while zombying it in theory and 30k damage is about 30% HPs..