Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

[Kiyara]

Man MarkuvChain, do you troll on ffxiah.com and on bluegartr.com too? Jesus dude, I try to find info for this stuff and you just seem to keep popping up everywhere I go. Seriously dude stop posting. It's pathetic seeing you try to weasel your way around saying this and that then changing your words around. Everyone on this forum pretty much dislikes you I'm sure of it.

[Nynja]

No I didn't say I would prove the 25% thing with a video. I said I would prove that ADL is killable with 6.

And its been 3 weeks, and you still have yet to post this video, DERP

[macross]

Today our's split into 3 or 4 when it was 25%. We still won though barely hehe. Last copy was it.

[MarkovChain]

You realize that normal enemies in Dynamis have an HP trigger for their 2hrs, right? Their HP trigger is a different % from job to job, and even then it seems like it can vary up to 10% from enemy to enemy even if they're the same job. DRG is somewhere around 95% which is why you almost never see one who doesn't summon a wyvern. NIN is somewhere around 30% which is why you frequently kill (or proc) them before they mijin. THF and PLD are somewhere around 50%.

Once they get below a certain HP, they put 2hring into their "to do" que, but their 2hr is a lower priority than WS, ranged attack, or casting a spell. That's why sometimes, even if you're killing very slow and don't proc, it's possible to prevent a NIN's 2hr by just placing stuns at the right times. Even though Mijin Gakure is on his "to do" que, it keeps getting pushed back on the que because his ranged attack is ready again, or he's ready to WS, or he's ready to cast a spell instead.

Why is any of that important to know for a discussion about ADL? Because ADL's cloning works the same way. Once you get him below a certain %, he puts splitting onto his "to do" que. If his magic or his WS are ready, he waits to split and does a spell or WS instead. His % appears to be somewhere around 60-66%. That's when he puts it on his que. Just because there isn't an exact % that he ALWAYS splits on doesn't mean it isn't % based. If you had some way to keep spamming him with stuns that last 10 seconds each (which is mostly impossible, I know), he would never have the chance to clone because everytime stun wore off, he'd attempt a WS or spell instead.

So there you go. That's why he can sometimes clone after 20 seconds and sometimes clone after 2.5 minutes. In order to disprove my theory, you would need to get a video of him cloning while he has more than 70% HP.

There is nothing to backup your theory. Comparing demon's2H and his cloning is farfetched. It's not as random as you think. I bet that many groups can confirm that with a given setup and strat it is going to pop at roughly the same HP%.

Ever since I do maximise my damage by replacing the whm by a monk etc it's systematically clones at lower HP. The times I had it clone above 50% that I mentionned earlier was because I was killing to slowly, and it was still at around 60% after 30s.

@ Macross, was

[Yinnyth]

There is nothing to backup your theory. Comparing demon's2H and his cloning is farfetched. It's not as random as you think. I bet that many groups can confirm that with a given setup and strat it is going to pop at roughly the same HP%.

No, it's not farfetched, it's the most logical conclusion to draw from the data available. Let us look at the evidence so far:
1. In some fights, it takes ADL as few as 20 seconds to split, generally while he is damaged extremely quickly.
2. In other fights, it takes ADL as long as 150 seconds to split, generally while he is damaged very slowly.
3. No one has yet to offer proof of an ADL kill in which he has not split at all.

So let's assume his behavior for splitting is based ONLY on how much time has passed since he was popped. Since there have been fights where he's split in 20 seconds, and fights where he's split in 150 seconds, we must then go on to assume that the time required for him to split is RANDOMIZED between those values. However, this would also mean that a group which deals damage to him quickly would, sooner or later, wind up with an ADL who takes 2 and a half minutes to split. This would mean they could kill him before he split. Since there is no evidence of this EVER happening, and not even any claims that it has happened as far as I can see, we can then conclude that his splitting is not determined solely by time.

So let's go further and assume that his splitting is based on 2 seperate triggers: HP and time- whichever elapses first. Since there is proof of a fight where he's taken longer than 2.5 minutes to split, and 2.5 minutes is more than enough time for any decent group to get him to his trigger HP, we can further conclude that IT DOESN'T MATTER if there's any time trigger at all.

Which leaves us with one possibility: his split is based partly, if not completely, on how low his HP is. So why does he sometimes get brought down to 30% HP before he manages to split, while other times he only gets brought down to 60%? We can answer that by looking at the behavior of other enemies who also have actions they take which are triggered by their HP%. He splits at varying HPs because his other actions take priority over his split, and the HP trigger itself might be randomized by as much as 10% either direction. Regardless, an HP trigger is the most logical conclusion to come to.

[MarkovChain]

The only explanation ? Nope. Because for me is always 30 sec no matter what. Your theory, based on nothing - so not a theory-, will be valid when you show me a good alliance cloning it above 50% HP or if the pop time is random for a given setup which is systematically disproven in my runs. For me the 30 sec is not an approximation, it is the exact second. With my new setup if it ever pops prior to 30 sec (I should be killing 33% faster, 50% with 5 monks and 1 smn) or if I ever see a clone at something greater or lower than 30sec or If I see it pop again above 50% HP we can talk about your "theory".

[Zirael]

[...] Your theory, based on nothing - so not a theory-, will be valid when you show me [...]

Still waiting...

[Coder]

When ADL first came out we tried a few ways to kill it w/o perfect defense. The safest way for us to take it down to the first split was with just a PLD and a THF on ADL. Took us a lot longer than 30 seconds to get it down to where it would split.

[Coder]

I also have a log from Monday where we popped at 23:38, and it had already summoned and the 2 ADLs are using oblivion smash at 24:01. That's quicker than 30 seconds.

Guess i could have edited that first post, oh well. +1

[Zikon]

I also have a log from Monday where we popped at 23:38, and it had already summoned and the 2 ADLs are using oblivion smash at 24:01. That's quicker than 30 seconds.

Guess i could have edited that first post, oh well. +1

Sup wiz still playing tricks ey