Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

[MarkovChain]

If that is indeed what you said, then I must remind you that 3 persons cannot duo anything because they'd be too busy trioing. Also, you claimed regular DLord can be duo'd here:

And here's you requesting a video to prove that duoing the pop NMs is impossible:


And while we're on the topic, here's you claiming that you'll post a video of 6 people bringing ADL to 25% before he has a chance to split: (which btw would mean you'd be facing 4 clones instead of 2)

Goddammit you are butthurt pretty deep, typical. I mean what you are quoting is me explaining that you can INDEED duo all the NMs used to pop ADL except DL. Stop quoting out of context seriously it's getting tired.

I didn't say that I would bring DL to 25% before it splits I said an ideal party would, learn2read and troll less. Now for you to prove us that 25% is the limit at which DL splits into three. You and your BG butthurt team have been spreading various versions so far all supporting that that the 1st split time is % based. I mean cool why not, but where is the proof and what is the exact % ? What is the minimum % that you can bring it before it splits. Me think you totally pulled the 25% out of your ass to be honest.

[Nynja]

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oh, and STILL no videos. surprise surprise

[Return1]

We need a new meme called pchan-ing

There's a couple of rules to pchan-ing:
1) You make an outrageous claim.
2) Claim you'll provide a video.
3) You fail to back up said claim.
4) If anyone calls you out on said claim you deny it regardless of if they have proof/quotes of you making said claim. Obvious editing of claims out of prior posts and claiming they made it up works too.

For example:
"If you switch gear and blink right when ADL uses Dynamic Implosion it will miss. If you can't do it you just really suck and should learn to gear swap. I'll post a video showing you it can be done."

This should be the basic structure of a pchan-ing:
Outrageous claim. Insult. "I'll post a video".

Bonus points and internets if you eventually get around to posting a video, claiming it to be proof, even it it was literally a 1/100 fluke or freak accident.

Using my previous example, 20 pages later I'll record hundreds of attempts to catch myself blinking right as Dynamic Implosion goes off, and I evade. I then post the 10 second clip and claim it as proof.

[Yinnyth]

What is the minimum % that you can bring it before it splits. Me think you totally pulled the 25% out of your ass to be honest.

I pulled the 25% out of the pile of ass pullings you've brought to this forum. YOU said 6 pimped out players could get ADL down to 25% before he splits. You even said you'd prove it with a video. I said you're full of crap because you've never done anything like that before, and if you have, you'd realize ADL splits into more than 2 forms if you get him that low that fast.

While we're also on the topic, you also said that ADL splits 30 seconds after being popped. Since there are videos of him splitting in less 20 seconds, and videos of him taking longer than 2 minutes to split... why did you say 30 seconds?

[MarkovChain]

No I didn't say I would prove the 25% thing with a video. I said I would prove that ADL is killable with 6.

Secondly you are still failing to read what I said about the split, so yeah troll less. I said multiple times that for me it always splits at 30s and that I found a video on youtube of gimps attempting it where it also splits at 30s, and I even said I found other videos where it splits earlier. To this I deducted that the split condition as has 2 sub condition one being T<=30 s and the other one being a mystery so far.

There are no video of it taking 2 minutes to split, you're full of crap.

[Yinnyth]

There are no video of it taking 2 minutes to split, you're full of crap.

First two videos of ADL I found: Splits at 20 seconds, splits at 2:37 seconds, both from lv 90 cap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOVyy7eeTQ for the long no-split against pearl and homam and other terribly geared DDs. Split > almost everyone instantly dies at least.

The split occurs sometime under 60% becoming more likely as its hp goes down, and there probably a certain amount of time that has to pass before it can split again.

Watch that vid. It was posted earlier today. ADL is popped at about 0:28, he splits at about 2:58. By my calculations, that's more than 2 minutes, and WAY more than 30 seconds.

[RocStar]

18x5=90

It would take 90 runs to get everyone in your group at least 5 of the items that they can use their selves. It also allows for 1 ADL a run, and farm the zone with a massive amount of players, to make money and upgrade relics.

Complaining about 5 items is sad. 3 months if you are capable and you have 18x99's. Just saying most players here have done 200, 300, even 400+ kills of various mobs inside.

Be grateful they forced a time limit on it, allowing everyone to go about the rest of their day with various other goals they have in mind. People who want to do it will, friends will help friends, and in under a month you will see 99s popping up.

[Michizane]

18x5=90

It would take 90 runs to get everyone in your group at least 5 of the items that they can use their selves. It also allows for 1 ADL a run, and farm the zone with a massive amount of players, to make money and upgrade relics.

Complaining about 5 items is sad. 3 months if you are capable and you have 18x99's. Just saying most players here have done 200, 300, even 400+ kills of various mobs inside.

Be grateful they forced a time limit on it, allowing everyone to go about the rest of their day with various other goals they have in mind. People who want to do it will, friends will help friends, and in under a month you will see 99s popping up.

Your forgetting one major thing...
Not everyone can play every day of the week at the same time. So factoring in thaat you may need reps who probably want the upgrade item as well makes it more then "18x5". Plus, some of people on the game are user, and i bet in most cases you will have more than one person quit once they get their item meaning you need to recuit even more people. And if the person who quits is the groups leader/organizer, than your group has a high chance of falling apart. And lastly, what about if we want the "Afterglow Relic"? That means we need not just five, but 255 total. Alot of people wont stay for one person to get 255 merrows on a mob that only drops one or two at a time.

With all that said, I do agree that SE shouldn't adjust the difficult of the Arch Dynamis Lord, but instead make it less luck based or make the items obtainable in another way while inceasing the ammount droped by ADL.

[MarkovChain]

Watch that vid. It was posted earlier today. ADL is popped at about 0:28, he splits at about 2:58. By my calculations, that's more than 2 minutes, and WAY more than 30 seconds.

Ah my bad but you must admit they are killing awefully slow to be any relevant, there is probably a minimum% where it pops, this doesn't disprove the 30 sec I'm seeing on all my runs. All I care about anyway is the minimum% were I can bring it. What's certain is that you can fight it 30 sec with high killing speed (unlike them). Seeing as I'm only at 75% of my potential, I'm sure I can bring it at 25% with 6 if it is possible and not block by a force clone. I've never seen it pop before 30sec for me also I've seen it clone above 50% HP so HP% trigger is out of question. I'm hoping you can bring it much lower than 45% which is what I do, and I want to know what HP% it is. I'm still convinced 30 sec is in the equation.

[Yinnyth]

Ah my bad but you must admit they are killing awefully slow to be any relevant, there is probably a minimum% where it pops, this doesn't disprove the 30 sec I'm seeing on all my runs. All I care about anyway is the minimum% were I can bring it. What's certain is that you can fight it 30 sec with high killing speed (unlike them). Seeing as I'm only at 75% of my potential, I'm sure I can bring it at 25% with 6 if it is possible and not block by a force clone. I've never seen it pop before 30sec for me also I've seen it clone above 50% HP so HP% trigger is out of question. I'm hoping you can bring it much lower than 45% which is what I do, and I want to know what HP% it is. I'm still convinced 30 sec is in the equation.

You realize that normal enemies in Dynamis have an HP trigger for their 2hrs, right? Their HP trigger is a different % from job to job, and even then it seems like it can vary up to 10% from enemy to enemy even if they're the same job. DRG is somewhere around 95% which is why you almost never see one who doesn't summon a wyvern. NIN is somewhere around 30% which is why you frequently kill (or proc) them before they mijin. THF and PLD are somewhere around 50%.

Once they get below a certain HP, they put 2hring into their "to do" que, but their 2hr is a lower priority than WS, ranged attack, or casting a spell. That's why sometimes, even if you're killing very slow and don't proc, it's possible to prevent a NIN's 2hr by just placing stuns at the right times. Even though Mijin Gakure is on his "to do" que, it keeps getting pushed back on the que because his ranged attack is ready again, or he's ready to WS, or he's ready to cast a spell instead.

Why is any of that important to know for a discussion about ADL? Because ADL's cloning works the same way. Once you get him below a certain %, he puts splitting onto his "to do" que. If his magic or his WS are ready, he waits to split and does a spell or WS instead. His % appears to be somewhere around 60-66%. That's when he puts it on his que. Just because there isn't an exact % that he ALWAYS splits on doesn't mean it isn't % based. If you had some way to keep spamming him with stuns that last 10 seconds each (which is mostly impossible, I know), he would never have the chance to clone because everytime stun wore off, he'd attempt a WS or spell instead.

So there you go. That's why he can sometimes clone after 20 seconds and sometimes clone after 2.5 minutes. In order to disprove my theory, you would need to get a video of him cloning while he has more than 70% HP.