99 Empyrean Trials.

[DrStrangelove]

Everyone is not supposed to have a 99 empyrean. It's not like running water or heat; it's not a basic minimum requirement to have fun or be a success in final fantasy.

Dozens, if not hundreds have empys have already been upgraded to 95. It does no one any good to screw them over by now dropping the requirement to 150. Go out, work and get your empy to 95 IF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT IT.

It's not hard.

By the way, here is my original post. My post was obviously more accurate than my memory of my post.

Dozens seems like the best original estimate, which jives with what the haters say.

Bravo! We have more agreement.

Now let's move on and get SE to make sure there are enough people doing ADL, VW and PW to make this work. And let's stop asking for the carpool lane.

[DrStrangelove]

....There's clearly something wrong with you.

I assume you think there is something wrong with being tolerant and mature.

[Registeel]

So, when I see so many players get their 95 relic ridiculously fast after obtaining the 75, and the only 95 empyrean holders I see are people that are constantly shouting for heavy metal plates whenever they're on... is it that fair then? You say empyreans are 'easy peasy', I say upgrading relics past 75 is easy peasy (up to the new 99). Just because getting all the currency for the original relic takes a good while, or because mythics are mythic, is absolutely no reason for the out-of-nowhere 1500 HMP punch to the chest. It's like a person who is undergoing suffering from a tragedy wishing for other people to suffer as well, just so they aren't the only ones suffering. Except in this case it's people who suffered (note the bold and the time tense, kids!) demanding others experience similar or worse ventures.

But I guess what I say is to be taken with little salt, as I am the 'easy peasy lemon squeasy meesy cheesy why do you repeat your wierd phrases dude seriously' casual type who's only been playing for a bit over a year. Scrub force out.

[Nynja]

why is a lv1 character getting in a heated discussion about lv99 content?

[zagam]

So, when I see so many players get their 95 relic ridiculously fast after obtaining the 75, and the only 95 empyrean holders I see are people that are constantly shouting for heavy metal plates whenever they're on... is it that fair then? You say empyreans are 'easy peasy', I say upgrading relics past 75 is easy peasy (up to the new 99). Just because getting all the currency for the original relic takes a good while, or because mythics are mythic, is absolutely no reason for the out-of-nowhere 1500 HMP punch to the chest. It's like a person who is undergoing suffering from a tragedy wishing for other people to suffer as well, just so they aren't the only ones suffering. Except in this case it's people who suffered (note the bold and the time tense, kids!) demanding others experience similar or worse ventures.

But I guess what I say is to be taken with little salt, as I am the 'easy peasy lemon squeasy meesy cheesy why do you repeat your wierd phrases dude seriously' casual type who's only been playing for a bit over a year. Scrub force out.

So because it started easy it should stay easy? Your logic is amazing. Maybe SE realized the pink-Kannagi ratio was over 50% and decided to make something actually hard.

[DrStrangelove]

why is a lv1 character getting in a heated discussion about lv99 content?

Probably because I know it and am making polite contributions to the thread.

If your thinly veiled attempt at an insult isn't helping you, you might want to resort to attacking my mother or blacklisting me.

[Registeel]

So because it started easy it should stay easy? Your logic is amazing. Maybe SE realized the pink-Kannagi ratio was over 50% and decided to make something actually hard.

No, I think it should stay reasonable but like I said take what I say worth a grain of salt. Disclaimers!

Edit: Suppose I should define my personal "reasonable". 500 per I think is reasonable. My ideal wish? 300. Once again, grains of sodium chloride etc etc

[DrStrangelove]

So, when I see so many players get their 95 relic ridiculously fast after obtaining the 75, and the only 95 empyrean holders I see are people that are constantly shouting for heavy metal plates whenever they're on... is it that fair then? You say empyreans are 'easy peasy', I say upgrading relics past 75 is easy peasy (up to the new 99). Just because getting all the currency for the original relic takes a good while, or because mythics are mythic, is absolutely no reason for the out-of-nowhere 1500 HMP punch to the chest. It's like a person who is undergoing suffering from a tragedy wishing for other people to suffer as well, just so they aren't the only ones suffering. Except in this case it's people who suffered (note the bold and the time tense, kids!) demanding others experience similar or worse ventures.

But I guess what I say is to be taken with little salt, as I am the 'easy peasy lemon squeasy meesy cheesy why do you repeat your wierd phrases dude seriously' casual type who's only been playing for a bit over a year. Scrub force out.

Let's say you have 3 children...lets call them Sally, Joe and Flo.

Sally has a huge amount of homework. But Joe and Flo have not only less, but they both have exactly the same homework after school. You tell Sally that she can't watch TV until her homework is done. Unfortunately for her, it's almost bedtime when she's done.

You tell Joe he has to do his homework now, and then he can watch TV. You tell Flo, that she can watch TV first, and then you has to do her homework.

Joe does his homework, while Flo watches TV. Then its time to switch. Flo yells "why do I have to do so much homework. It's too much. And Joe gets to watch TV now. Why does he get to have fun when I can't. It's not fair. Cut my homework by 90%, then I will be happy."

Sally is the mythic, Joe is the relic and Flo is the empy.

This thread is mostly about Flo asking dad and mom to cut the homework because it's too much and is not fair.

[Registeel]

Nah. I'd say it's more like they have homework for different subjects with different material, in different schools. But alas, my analogy skills are meager and my opinion only speaks for one 'casual'.

[Zinato]

People keep debating cost, that may be the issue. Cost is unstable changing from server to server, over time and even by time of day. The answer to all problems isn't throw money at it until it goes away. Empyrean and Relic can both be bought from the moment the relic drops or weapon is removed from the magian chest. What I'm saying is debating cost is pointless as it not an accurate exchange, nor does buying something require effort. (example: player A from server A claims HMP is 100k player B from server B says but wait 100k is way to low its 120k, and both players are forced to change the value 3 weeks from now when prices spike.)

Want to debate the balance of the weapons? Do it by effort, time restrictions, minimum players needed, total time needed to create, and do it start to finish keeping Gil out. I'd put money on the fact SE did not intend these weapons to be purchased to begin with, at best the ability to buy came from the option to trade. Gil is too common and cheap to make an argument either way.

That aside, there are two different arguments going one is: make the trial require less vs leave it. The other is leave the trial and up availability (drop rate or places to find are both being brought up) vs keep HMP/cinder/dross where it is.