99 Empyrean Trials.

[Geabrielle]

Digressing!

Recap, Dev Bros! Lower the 1500 plate requirement to something reasonable. 500 for the upper limits and 150 for those of us who are blatantly pointing out what natural progression should have been! If this is not acceptable then please raise the base amount within the heavy metal plate pouches! Seriously, popping one and getting 3 plates is beyond frustration. Use the cotton pouch approach, no less than 10 and up to the possibility of 25. I could even argue for the linen pouch approach of upwards to 99, but do something about it. Either reduction or increase of pouch output.

Thanks!

[Tamoa]

The proof is in the pudding!

Using FFXI's census:

8 years 4,000 relics (500/year)
i year, 12,000 empyreans (12,000 / year)

So your point was that relics are easy to do and cheap, and that empys are hard to do and expensive. Pudding doesn't taste the way you promised.

Comparing the work/gil needed for a relic back before Abyssea and neo-dynamis, to the work/gil needed to make an empyrean, is pointless. There were no such thing as empyrean weapons back then.

I'm comparing what's needed to obtain a level 95 relic today with what's needed for a level 95 empyrean weapon. Just in case that totally escaped you.

[DrStrangelove]

Comparing the work/gil needed for a relic back before Abyssea and neo-dynamis, to the work/gil needed to make an empyrean, is pointless. There were no such thing as empyrean weapons back then.

I'm comparing what's needed to obtain a level 95 relic today with what's needed for a level 95 empyrean weapon. Just in case that totally escaped you.

Right-o! Let's not let the facts divert our attention!

Empyreans can be done from start to finish solo or at most duo. This is well documented all over every FFXI website with people explaining exactly how they did it. So the point is moot.

The only real point is that empys and relics and mythics done solo:

1) take longest for mythics and next longest for relics. So empys don't need to be made easier
2) are most expensive for mythics and next for relics. So empys don't need to be made less expensive.

There....you are right! We've summed up the issue nicely.

Kudos to SE for handing this well this time around. It took some work, but it finally makes sense.

Doing anything to make empys EASIER and CHEAPER now would not only be a a grand slap in the face to the hundreds of level 95 empys and many 99 empys, but a complete error regarding relics and mythics.

EMPYS are easy preezy to 90 that can be soloed/duoed quickly with no gil. They are excellent weapons at that point. Should anyone want to take the empys to 95 or 99, they would expect to work for it and not be given another easy road to the finish line.

[Insaniac]

Everyone is not supposed to have a 99 empyrean. It's not like running water or heat; it's not a basic minimum requirement to have fun or be a success in final fantasy.

Dozens, if not hundreds have empys have already been upgraded to 95. It does no one any good to screw them over by now dropping the requirement to 150. Go out, work and get your empy to 95 IF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT IT.

It's not hard.

....There's clearly something wrong with you.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It's pretty clear he's just trolling right now.

[Zinato]

Sounds to me Tamao is less about a reduction and more saying. VW sucks players don't want to do it, please make this content relevant so we can farm/buy plates. <- (Blunt version) I think the DEVs plan to add HMP to future VW/content would be shocking even by their standards not to.

[DrStrangelove]

The fuck? lolFFXIAH but still, there's what a handful of confirmed 95 empyreans across all servers? You call that as 'people were done with HMPs'? Are you high?

You're joking right?

SE knows how many there are.

On my server there are single linkshells with 3 or 4 level 95 empys. People have been posting level 95 empys on BG since September. So clearly there are more than a 'handful' across all servers.

[newmonkey]

He's not exactly trolling is he empys are free and easy to get to 90 at which point they are great weapons with a quality aftermath and in most cases a quality weapon skill, i think the ws and aftermath should have been unlocked on the 95 and 99 version but thats another story.

Ok that aside by the time both weapons are 99 relics will have cost more gil then empys again, so what exactly is the problem here ? Sure a lot of people may spend 3 months in dyna soloing there relics as far as they can but there is a lot of people who buy up currency still as i know for one i couldn't be arsed to spam dyna everyday it's a bore fest.

Make it so hmp drop a lot more but there is no need to lower the amount needed.

[Tamoa]

Doing anything to make empys EASIER and CHEAPER now would not only be a a grand slap in the face to the hundreds of level 95 empys and many 99 empys, but a complete error regarding relics and mythics.

Hundreds of level 95 empys? Really? Really????

And PLEASE show me ONE SINGLE level 99 empyrean weapon on ANY live server. Guess what? You can't.


Troll more please.

[detlef]

As I've said before, the only argument for 1500/60 is that people are still spamming VW right now. Well maybe not now anymore... The number of VW shouts is essentially nothing now, and the few groups that shout end up dying at 5/18. I joined a JP Akvan shout group that shouted for an hour and ended up with 2 PLD, a BST, a RDM, and 2 BRDs. Lovely.

I realize this is really more a critique of VW than the trial but I feel that the half of the trial's difficulty is the supply of trial items.