99 Empyrean Trials.

[DrStrangelove]

...these weapons only have to be at 90 to complete with 99 versions of the other two.

Exactly. Easy to make to 90, already a super weapon and now there are 16,000 empyreans.

There is nothing here to fix. 1,500 plates and 60 rift drops are fine.

[Neisan_Quetz]

And people have gotten relics finished in a month, what's your point?

The only Empyreans with an advantage over relic counterparts at 95 are Ukonvasara, Kannagi (debateable with Shun, haven't checked math), Almace, Masamune, and Verethragna (Almost gone with Shijin Spiral's release). Armageddon is only better for Cor since they can't use relic, same with Twash for Dnc. Daurdabla and Gjaller don't actually compete with each other unless you only go for one, in which cause Daurdabla.

[Insaniac]

There are people who got the 1,500 plates done in a month. It's not hard to do. If you want to....

What's your point? My post is about the fact that lowering the requirement to 150 would push the demand up so high because it would be seen as attainable by that many more people. The up side would be that you actually could farm ALL your own plates through VW if you didn't want to spend gil on them. You know, just like relics. Pay exuberant amounts of money or put in some real work.

[Tamoa]

Relics currency $120 million and umbrals $400 million = $520 million

Sure, because the average joe working on a relic these days buys all the currency, right? Somehow I don't think so, lol.

But you know what? I don't think there's much point in arguing with you, you're either just a massive troll, or you might be one of those relic holders who got their weapon loooong before neo-dynamis and you're just butthurt that the easy-to-get empyrean counterpart crushes your relic.

The facts are these: If you want to finish this trial by getting the vast majority of plates without buying them, there is no telling how long it will take before you finish, it could easily be 1 year if not more. All depending on several things - luck as far as drops go, and your ability to spam the right voidwatch fights. You'll run out of stones fast. You'll run out of IS/CP/AN fast. You then have to do a LOT of campaign, being the most effective way of obtaining voiddust, to keep up. And that will slow you down as far as spamming voidwatch goes, adding to the total amount of time it'll take you to finish. Or, you need to buy voiddust, which will make each set of fights cost you around 100k gil. And all this for ONE SINGLE STAGE, for taking your weapon from lvl 90 to lvl 95.


If you can't see what a massive problem the 1500 heavy metal plates pose for a lot of people, and the fact that it might end up being near impossible to finish the trial in the not-too-distant future due to lack of supply, then I don't know if there's anything else I or anyone else can tell you to make you change your view on this.


Edit: wtf @ 400mil for the umbral marrows?

[DrStrangelove]

If you can't see what a massive problem the 1500 heavy metal plates pose for a lot of people, and the fact that it might end up being near impossible to finish the trial in the not-too-distant future due to lack of supply, then I don't know if there's anything else I or anyone else can tell you to make you change your view on this.

People were done with 1,500 plates 2+ months ago. On my server people are done on the 99. Rift drops are in dozens of mules bazaars while other people are out spamming the VW fights to get their own.

I'm not sure what problem you are talking about...

Oh wait....you mean the problem that all 16,000 empyreans can't be done easily or cheaply in a few weeks?

That's not a problem. EVERY EMPYREAN IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT TO 99.

Get used to that idea and this will all make sense.

Everyone's not going to have Toci's harness or Coruscanti or 16 relics or20 mythics. It's fine if they don't.

[DrStrangelove]

What's your point? My post is about the fact that lowering the requirement to 150 would push the demand up so high because it would be seen as attainable by that many more people. The up side would be that you actually could farm ALL your own plates through VW if you didn't want to spend gil on them. You know, just like relics. Pay exuberant amounts of money or put in some real work.

Everyone is not supposed to have a 99 empyrean. It's not like running water or heat; it's not a basic minimum requirement to have fun or be a success in final fantasy.

Dozens, if not hundreds have empys have already been upgraded to 95. It does no one any good to screw them over by now dropping the requirement to 150. Go out, work and get your empy to 95 IF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT IT.

It's not hard.

[DrStrangelove]

Edit: wtf @ 400mil for the umbral marrows?

Good catch. (/embarassed)

My bad. I was using 20 x $20 million, not 5 x $20 million. It's still more than or equal to empys depends on server.

The $20 million is probably too low for umbrals, but that is the lowest price people are posting it should sell for, if it ever gets sold.

In reality, most relics will never be able to get to 99, because, ADL won't be done that much. Unlike VW mobs, he can't be spammed 24/7.

[Tamoa]

Anyone can, if they want to, make a relic. In fact, they can solo it. They can get all the currency they need on their own, they don't have to depend on other people for it. They can do dynamis every day for as long as it takes them to finish - solo. They can solo much of the trials past 75, and only need the help from a couple of friends to take their relic to 95. They actually don't have to spend more than a few k gil to get a level 95 relic (those few k being for upgrade items). And all of that doesn't even have to take very long at all.

Anyone wanting to take their empyrean from 90 to 95, need either a) LOTS of time and luck and patience, or b) a shitton of gil. And either way, they depend on enough people doing the appropriate voidwatch fights so they can join or make runs, or buy plates.

And on Asura, you'll be quite lucky to find plates for 100k. 130k or more seem to be the norm these days. 195mil+ to upgrade one weapon ONE stage, sounds quite ok to you I guess?


Edit: for the record, I'm not saying SE should lower the requirement to 150 plates. That would actually screw me over too. What I'm saying though, is that they should increase the supply substantially.

[Neisan_Quetz]

The fuck? lolFFXIAH but still, there's what a handful of confirmed 95 empyreans across all servers? You call that as 'people were done with HMPs'? Are you high?

[DrStrangelove]

Anyone can, if they want to, make a relic. In fact, they can solo it. They can get all the currency they need on their own, they don't have to depend on other people for it. They can do dynamis every day for as long as it takes them to finish - solo. They can solo much of the trials past 75, and only need the help from a couple of friends to take their relic to 95. They actually don't have to spend more than a few k gil to get a level 95 relic (those few k being for upgrade items). And all of that doesn't even have to take very long at all.

Anyone wanting to take their empyrean from 90 to 95, need either a) LOTS of time and luck and patience, or b) a shitton of gil. And either way, they depend on enough people doing the appropriate voidwatch fights so they can join or make runs, or buy plates.

And on Asura, you'll be quite lucky to find plates for 100k. 130k or more seem to be the norm these days. 195mil to upgrade one weapon ONE stage, sounds quite ok to you I guess?

The proof is in the pudding!

Using FFXI's census:

8 years 4,000 relics (500/year)
i year, 12,000 empyreans (12,000 / year)

So your point was that relics are easy to do and cheap, and that empys are hard to do and expensive. Pudding doesn't taste the way you promised.


Here is what you should say:

EMPYs are easy to do and cheaper than relics. See, that matches the pudding exactly.

Now, lets add this:

EMPYs are easy to do and cheaper than relics, and we want them to be made even cheaper and easier.

Voila! This is the thread we are in!!